Makar Ranks 186th in 5v5 Goals Against per Hour Despite Being Stapled to Nathan MacKinnon (He’s Getting Lit Up Defensively)

[Rowlet]

Not just one fan base bud. I am an eastern conference fan (i am sure my avatar keeps it a mystery) and i am just tired of hearing about how makar is bonby orr 2.0 when he is a major negative on one side of the ice this year

NOBODY will EVER be as good as Bonby, keep his name out of your mouth

 

[Rabid Ranger]

This is one of those threads that will probably be fun to look at next season.

You mean when Jake Sanderson completes his ascent to Norris winner?

 

[NyQuil]

You mean when Jake Sanderson completes his ascent to Norris winner?

Well there's a strange tangent.

 

[HolyHagelin]

NOBODY will EVER be as good as Bonby, keep his name out of your mouth

I am going to edit it now so that this looks stupid

 

[Rowlet]

I am going to edit it now so that this looks stupid

It's ok it stays wrong in the quote

 

[Love]

This is one of those threads that will probably be fun to look at next season.

Why would it be fun to look at next season? I don’t think you’re able to comprehend what was said in that clip or what has been said on these boards about Makar. So let me try to make it very simple for you:

The criticisms about his defensive game are with regards to how he has played THIS SEASON. I don’t recall people on this site or media members trying to say he is now a bad defensive player now and forever. Every criticism I’ve seen of him defensively is specifically focused on the 23/24 season.

Next season Makar could have the best defensive season of any player in NHL history and it wouldn’t make this thread “fun to look at” because what is being suggested in this thread is factual regardless of what has happened previously or what will happen in the future. Or are you suggesting that next season you’ll look back and try to explain how Makar’s hypothetically improved play next season changes his objectively poor defensive play this season?

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I don't think it's physically possible for any thread on this entire website to discuss Makar without bringing up Hughes, and vice versa.

Holy f***. They are both incredible. Just enjoy the fact that we have two superstars in their prime blowing through the skylight.

It's impossible because both teams' fans, in particular the Avs, feel compelled to pump up their guy. The * fact * is (used loosely) is this year Hughes is the better player and it's not close. That doesn't mean Makar can't be considered the best d-man in the league "in general", but not this year. Also, some seem to like putting him in his own tier. That's not true either.

 

[NyQuil]

Why would it be fun to look at next season? I don’t think you’re able to comprehend what was said in that clip or what has been said on these boards about Makar. So let me try to make it very simple for you:

The criticisms about his defensive game are with regards to how he has played THIS SEASON. I don’t recall people on this site or media members trying to say he is now a bad defensive player now and forever. Every criticism I’ve seen of him defensively is specifically focused on the 23/24 season.

I'll try and make it equally simple for you.

When someone posts "OVERRATED CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP" I think it'll be a bit amusing to see if that holds up next year.

I hope that provides a level of clarity and comprehension for you.

 

[Love]

I'll try and make it equally simple for you.

When someone posts "OVERRATED CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP" I think it'll be a bit amusing to see if that holds up next year.

I hope that provides a level of clarity and comprehension for you.

Ok so at least we’re at the heart of it now. You’re worked up about one poster who posted something childishly. It doesn’t change the facts of what’s being said to evaluate his defensive game this season.

 

[NyQuil]

Ok so at least we’re at the heart of it now. You’re worked up about one poster who posted something childishly. It doesn’t change the facts of what’s being said to evaluate his defensive game this season.

I think there's only one person who is worked up here.

 

[Coffey]

doesn't make something true just because it was said by an NHLer.

Enter ANY QUOTE FROM WAYNE GRETZKY

 

[HolyHagelin]

I'll try and make it equally simple for you.

When someone posts "OVERRATED CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP" I think it'll be a bit amusing to see if that holds up next year.

I hope that provides a level of clarity and comprehension for you.

Look at Makar’s numbers sliding year over year, literally every year of his career. There is a litany of guys who burst onto the scene and faded, it won’t be shocking if he becomes another.

And yeah, he is in fact overrated.

 

[Aladyyn]

Always love when people get mad about "advanced stats" such as "goals"

 

[NyQuil]

Look at Makar’s numbers sliding year over year, literally every year of his career. There is a litany of guys who burst onto the scene and faded, it won’t be shocking if he becomes another.

He already set a career high for assists in a season this year.

BTW, this post also has a projection about next year so my original comment about reading it again in the future holds up if the thread police is tracking this.

 

[Rowlet]

Enter ANY QUOTE FROM WAYNE GRETZKY

No kidding, you'd think that Oiler fans specifically would be hyper aware of this. Like, Gretzky has pumped so many players tires that it's basically a meme at this point.

 

[HolyHagelin]

He already set a career high for assists in a season this year.

Sorry, i got distracted cuz i thought the Q was talkin to me.

*advanced numbers

His possession and WOWY numbers have gotten worse every year.

 

[Rowlet]

He already set a career high for assists in a season this year.

He's talking about defense and possession numbers.

Also do you not see the connection between that and MacKinnon setting a new career high in goals, probably hitting 50 for the first time? 70% of Makar's ice time has MacKinnon on the ice.

 

[NyQuil]

Sorry, i got distracted cuz i thought the Q was talkin to me.

*advanced numbers

His possession and WOWY numbers have gotten worse every year.

I guess we'll find out.

He's talking about defense and possession numbers.

Also do you not see the connection between that and MacKinnon setting a new career high in goals, probably hitting 50 for the first time? 70% of Makar's ice time has MacKinnon on the ice.

Personally I'm not convinced that he's already played his best hockey at 25.

Defencemen often lose a bit on the offence but can improve on the defensive side of the game as they age anyway.

I have been putting Quinn Hughes as my pick for the Norris all over the place this year so the Canucks army contingent can relax and stand down.

BTW, is it possible that MacKinnon is also setting a new career high in goals in part because of all that time he spends with Makar on the ice?

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Well, this is a thread on this website

 

[tanti9]

As a poster said previously, enjoy both of these phenoms as they are both great players. I love watching both Hughes and Makar skate on the ice and their offensive instincts. Makar has had a better career thus far but this season Hughes has been the best defenseman in the NHL. I look forward to these two phenoms battle each other in the upcoming years.

Cheers

 

[HolyHagelin]

I guess we'll find out.



Personally I'm not convinced that he's already played his best hockey at 25.

Defencemen often lose a bit on the offence but can improve on the defensive side of the game as they age anyway.

i figure he will probably still have a long good career. Don’t tell anyone, but i am intentionally overhating as a reaction to the overrating. *shhhh*, it’s a secret.

He shouldn’t be a norris finalist *this year* regardless.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

This year yea its Hughes.

Don't need to knock Makar down to prop Hughes up.

 

[Cup or Bust]

I would take Makar over any d-man in the league but I do think Hughes should win the Norris this season.

 

[HolyHagelin]

I would take Makar over any d-man in the league but I do think Hughes should win the Norris this season.

I would absolutely not trade fox for makar straight up.

 

[Rowlet]

BTW, is it possible that MacKinnon is also setting a new career high in goals in part because of all that time he spends with Makar on the ice?

It's not super likely, when you look at Makar's corsirel and fenwickrel numbers, MacKinnon is so far ahead of the rest of the team. If you isolate Makar's icetime to just when MacKinnon isn't on the ice, he has numbers below 50% in basically every stat, some as low as 40-45%. Additionally, Makar's ES offensive WAR numbers have been uniquely bad. Toews - Makar had Corsi and Fenwick numbers of about 30% during last week's 7-4 win over Nashville, that's like Brett Lebda being -3 in a Leafs 8-3 win levels of bad.