MacKinnon vs. Barkov

[Cats2TheCup]

His offensive game is nowhere near as dynamic as Datsyuk’s. He’s a Jumbo Joe/Kopitar hybrid. He has the exact same cerebral playmaking game & ability to shield the puck that Jumbo does; and his defensive game is already matching Kopi’s.

Kid’s an absolute beast but other than being a high scoring selke candidate, Datsyuk is a weird comparison

Barkov is one of the most dynamic playmakers in the league. As for creativity, check out his shootouts. Pair that with his defense and the comparisons to Datsyuk are entirely reasonable.

 

[freecheese]

Is Barkov now the frontrunner for Selke this season?

 

[BB88]

Barkov is one of the most dynamic playmakers in the league. As for creativity, check out his shootouts. Pair that with his defense and the comparisons to Datsyuk are entirely reasonable.

It's amazing to see this skilled 6'3 Selke type C, and just 22y.

 

[Cats2TheCup]

It's amazing to see this skilled 6'3 Selke type C, and just 22y.

Disgusting.

 

[Skeletorrr]

His offensive game is nowhere near as dynamic as Datsyuk’s. He’s a Jumbo Joe/Kopitar hybrid through & through. He has the exact same cerebral playmaking game & ability to shield the puck that Jumbo does; and his defensive game is already matching Kopi’s.

Kid’s an absolute beast but other than being a high scoring selke candidate, Datsyuk is a weird comparison

He's like Kopitar with Datsuyks filthy mitts!

 

[cgf]

Barkov is one of the most dynamic playmakers in the league. As for creativity, check out his shootouts. Pair that with his defense and the comparisons to Datsyuk are entirely reasonable.

He's one of the best playmakers, but I wouldn't use the word dynamic to describe his creativity. When I think dynamic I think McDavid, I think Forsberg. Barkov is much more cerebral & Thornton-esque than that. Just a very different style offensively from Sasha than that of Datsyuk.

Is Barkov now the frontrunner for Selke this season?

With Bergeron's injury it's between him & Kopi. Though I'd give it to Sasha.

 

[authentic]

His offensive game is nowhere near as dynamic as Datsyuk’s. He’s a Jumbo Joe/Kopitar hybrid through & through. He has the exact same cerebral playmaking game & ability to shield the puck that Jumbo does; and his defensive game is already matching Kopi’s.

Kid’s an absolute beast but other than being a high scoring selke candidate, Datsyuk is a weird comparison

I see what you are saying with your Thornton and Kopitar comparison but he has Datsyuk's fancy dangles and creative shootout moves. Also a very long stick for his size which at his height must have him up there with the best reach in the game.

 

[cgf]

I see what you are saying with your Thornton and Kopitar comparison but he has Datsyuk's fancy dangles and creative shootout moves. Also a very long stick for his size which at his height must have him up there with the best reach in the game.

His shootout moves are definitely Datsyukian. That part of the comparison I have no disagreements with

 

[Ainec]

not saying this will happen but he has the chance to

1. win the Selke
2. be the highest scoring Selke winner relative to the rest of the league since Ron Francis. And I believe Francis would be the only one since the award's inception (correct me if I'm wrong).

He'd have to score at a 1.15-1.2 pace from now until game 81

 

[bsu]

Sasha is better than Backstrom & Getzlaf. seguin’s defensive transformation this season makes that one tough, but the other two? Not so much.

You haven't seen Getzlaf this season I am assuming.

 

[cgf]

You haven't seen Getzlaf this season I am assuming.

Only in their games against Colorado, Chicago & Buffalo; and based on those games he didn't seem to be having a career year; which is what he'd need to best Barkov this season

 

[Ainec]

Barkov > Getzlaf > Seguin >> Backstrom

This Season.

 

[cgf]

Barkov > Getzlaf > Seguin >> Backstrom

This Season.

I'd take Seguin over Getzlaf as well. Radu drives the Stars offense now, but Seguin has pulled a Modano with his two-way play this year...while still being an elite goalscorer.

not saying this will happen but he has the chance to

1. win the Selke
2. be the highest scoring Selke winner relative to the rest of the league since Ron Francis. And I believe Francis would be the only one since the award's inception (correct me if I'm wrong).

He'd have to score at a 1.15-1.2 pace from now until game 81

This just bums me out all over again that Joe didn't win the Selke in 2001. 2nd in points to Jagr (by 3) for the Ross, 2nd in goals to Bure (by 5) for the Rocket, 2nd to Madden for the Selke, won the Lady Byng, won the Pearson and won the Hart. Joe was 5 goals and some Selke votes away from having the best season this century is likely to see, in the very first season of the new millenium.

 

[jetsforever]

I'm not going to take MacK after 1 great season. Barkov right now, and we'll see if MacK keeps it up.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Barkov. Glad to see him finally getting the recognition he deserves. What a great two way player!

 

[Jarey Curry]

I'm not going to take MacK after 1 great season. Barkov right now, and we'll see if MacK keeps it up.

That's the part of the fun that you take who will be better now and in the future and stick with it, not plan to change it every time other gets hot and other gets cold, for example if I was starting a franchise and had that first OA pick, I'd go w MacKinnon but I would try to make a significant trade proposal to acquire that 2nd OA and take Barkov from that draft. There's your future Stanley cup caliber centers right there..

 

[Cats2TheCup]

That's the part of the fun that you take who will be better now and in the future and stick with it, not plan to change it every time other gets hot and other gets cold, for example if I was starting a franchise and had that first OA pick, I'd go w MacKinnon but I would try to make a significant trade proposal to acquire that 2nd OA and take Barkov from that draft. There's your future Stanley cup caliber centers right there..

If Avs actually had the top two picks, I wonder if they would have selected Barkov or Drouin, and keep that Moosehead pairing together.

 

[cgf]

If Avs actually had the top two picks, I wonder if they would have selected Barkov or Drouin, and keep that Moosehead pairing together.

They would have taken Barkov. They loved him an were heavily debating him over MacKinnon.

The interesting question in that scenario is if they would have taken one of the centers & Seth Jones, or gone with the two franchise centers.

 

[Ainec]

MacK's "unproven" scoring touch and Barkov's "injury issues" aside

two top 10 Cs signed for under 12.5M for the next several years. That team would be the next dynasty

helps that both teams are attractive to FA. I'd expect at least 1 cup

 

[McBaevid]

Mackinnon is the better player if he can continue his current level or at least somewhat close for another year. Barkov has a far better track record so I'll take him for now

 

[McCullogh]

I am still voting Barkov (one of my fav players in the league ) when comparing these two but McKinnon is very very close, So basically a coin toss were you win regardless of wheter its head or tails.

 

[Tralfamadore]

When was the last time a Selke winners team failed to make the playoffs?

 

[Binister]

lol then don't bother bringing up career stats

what makes it more sustainable?
are you one of those guys who tried telling laine fans that his shooting isn't sustainable?

No actually I was one of those who knew that his shooting percentage was sustainable due to his elite shot which can beat any goalie no matter how much goalies would study it.

We have seen players who have played over PPG but it has only lasted a season or so. Barkov has been almost PPG for three seasons now. It was expected that he would have that pace if he stayed healthy as he has now.

 

[goblin3]

When was the last time a Selke winners team failed to make the playoffs?

Quite recently, 2014-2015 Patrice Bergeron.

 

[urho]

I honestly can't decide which one is "better" but aren't they kind of a fantastic duo for #1 & #2 picks in the same draft year? MacKinnon could be the perfect offensive dynamo a la McDavid lite and Barkov is your prototypical winning #1C with defensive game off the charts and those dirrrty mittens too. That was a good draft year for sure!