MacKinnon for the Hart

[olli]

I've looked, not as much as the gap between MacKinnon and his teammates (depending on how you look at it)....but if you look at it in totality, it's pretty similar. Kucherov has a bigger gap between himself and #2, but Mackinnon has the bigger gap when you look at top 5-6. If you look at goals and points scored by the whole team Kucherov vs. rest of team and Mackinnon vs. rest of the team are pretty similar.

Point gap between x teammates is less of a valuable stat then simply percentage of team goals in on. Kucherov has a goal or assist on 50.8% of Tampa’s goals while MacKinnon is at 46.2%. As mentioned by someone else Kucherov has 52 points in 25 games vs top 10 teams compared to Mackinnon who has 32 years in 23. These 2 stats tip the scales in favour of Kucherov for the Hart in my opinion. Regardless of if you believe MacKinnon has been a slightly better player, there’s no doubt Kucherov has been slightly more valuable to his team.

 

[Sypher04]

That's fine....but I think if MacKinnon wins and Kucherov finishes 2nd, I don't think we can really point to media bias too much as there are perfectly good reasons MacKinnon should win, etc. If Kucherov finishes 3rd or 4th or 5th, then yeah, maybe that starts too look strange. For now, I'll withhold judgment.

Personally I don’t think finishing 3rd would look strange. 5th would. But we’ve got 4 guys who are all playing out of their minds of which he is one.

 

[Nihiliste]

Guy missed the point Tampa are -28 without Kuch...

Avs are -8 without Mackinnon.

These two guys have the highest on/off ice goal differentials in the league but last I checked Mack was ahead in that department

 

[Doubty]

If the vote was today MacKinnon would win because the Art Ross race is trivially close, and MacKinnon leads in goals, 5v5 points, and non-EN points. I don't think it would be all that close, because his name is Nathan MacKinnon and he doesn't have one yet. Anybody on the fence between the two, would likely fall that way.

MacKinnon is deserving. If you had a blind vote with players x, y and z, the one with MacKinnon's stat line would still take it. It'd just be closer.

Tampas point leaders: Kuch 141, Point 88. Difference between these guys: 53 points.
Avs point leaders: Mackinnon 137, Rantanen 102. Difference between these guys: 35 points.
Yeah I'll give hart for Kuch.

 

[CanadienShark]

I wasn’t one of those , I gave kuch props and congratulated him. I was happy someone other than mcdavid was gonna win it. Only to see Tampa fans just being generally obnoxious… why? I’m gonna guess because we beat them in the Stanley cup finals. @CanadianShark do you understand how?

And I’ll repeat myself here I don’t care about individual awards. I want a Stanley cup

You're drunk dude, go to bed.

 

[34]

MacKinnon is better than McDavid. Straight up.

 

[Whoot Whoot]

Sirius xm was covering how Mac will get it because the voters don't like voting for Russians or non-canadians.

just how iginla got shafted

 

[wetcoast]

Sirius xm was covering how Mac will get it because the voters don't like voting for Russians or non-canadians.

just how iginla got shafted

I get what you are doing here.

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

MacKinnon is better than McDavid. Straight up.

Only when McDavid is dealing with some injury.

 

[tucker3434]

Tampas point leaders: Kuch 141, Point 88. Difference between these guys: 53 points.
Avs point leaders: Mackinnon 137, Rantanen 102. Difference between these guys: 35 points.
Yeah I'll give hart for Kuch.

Again, Kucherov’s lead is in assists, not unassisted goals. So he obviously is playing with guys that are scoring. Yes, he has a bigger gap to the #2 scorer on his team but he has a smaller gap down to the #4 and #5 scorers which negates it. If anything, he has a slight advantage here. Game isn’t played 2v2.

MacKinnon - 137
Rantanen - 102
Makar - 87
Drouin - 56
Mittelstadt - 56 (TDL acquisition and most of these points were in Buffalo)
Total - 438

Kucherov - 141
Point - 88
Stamkos - 77
Hedman - 76
Hagel- 72
Total - 454

 

[34]

Only when McDavid is dealing with some injury.

He is not dealing with any injury. It is called load management

 

[TBF1972]

i can't see mackinnon winning the hart

after lane hutson signed his elc.

 

[lionsDen]

You're drunk dude, go to bed.

Your clown shoes are showing again

 

[Regal]

Again, Kucherov’s lead is in assists, not unassisted goals. So he obviously is playing with guys that are scoring. Yes, he has a bigger gap to the #2 scorer on his team but he has a smaller gap down to the #4 and #5 scorers which negates it. If anything, he has a slight advantage here. Game isn’t played 2v2.

MacKinnon - 137
Rantanen - 102
Makar - 87
Drouin - 56
Mittelstadt - 56 (TDL acquisition and most of these points were in Buffalo)
Total - 438

Kucherov - 141
Point - 88
Stamkos - 77
Hedman - 76
Hagel- 72
Total - 454

Yea the number 2 scorer is such a lazy argument. Also, Rantanen’s production advantage on Point at ES is basically just a few secondary assists, and while he’s more productive on the PP, Kucherov also gets to play with Stamkos on the PP, who has clearly regressed at ES but is still an elite PP finisher.

 

[Avsfan1921]

At this point I’d love to see Mathews win it just for Edmonton, Colorado and Tampa fans reactions. If he doesn’t then give it to Mcdavid to watch all other fan bases freak out.

No matter who wins it this year they deserve it.

 

[Coffey]

He is not dealing with any injury. It is called load management

Why are you so intent on lying?

At this point I’d love to see Mathews win it just for Edmonton, Colorado and Tampa fans reactions. If he doesn’t then give it to Mcdavid to watch all other fan bases freak out.

No matter who wins it this year they deserve it.

I wouldn’t mind. I’d love to see Avs and Tampa reactions if that happened.

 

[quesosauce]

each of the top 4 guys should get a trophy

the rocket for matthews
the ross for kuch
the hart for mack
the lindsy for mcdavid

easy peasy

 

[GreeningOil]

MacKinnon is better than McDavid. Straight up.

Incorrect.

 

[Toby91ca]

Tampas point leaders: Kuch 141, Point 88. Difference between these guys: 53 points.
Avs point leaders: Mackinnon 137, Rantanen 102. Difference between these guys: 35 points.
Yeah I'll give hart for Kuch.

Geez.....I'm too tired to get back into this debate other than to say that's super lazy argument.....so maybe I'm the one being lazy

 

[TheStatican]

Tampas point leaders: Kuch 141, Point 88. Difference between these guys: 53 points.
Avs point leaders: Mackinnon 137, Rantanen 102. Difference between these guys: 35 points.
Yeah I'll give hart for Kuch.

Thats one of the single most misleading and possibly even meaningless metrics I've ever seen. When Kucherov steps out on the ice does he only play with Point? Because last I checked hockey is a game that is almost always played with 5 positional players and never solely 2.

Just because the gap between and first and second leading scorers on a team is greater does not automatically mean that player had less offensive support. You need to consider the contributions of ALL of a players linemates not just one.

 

[GlitchMarner]

He's not playing like he deserves the Hart tonight...



Kidding... but damn, what a statement game by WPG. They have Colorado's number this year.

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

He was invisible this afternoon with home ice on the line against their playoff opponents

 

[34]

Incorrect.

MacKinnon > McDavid

RIGHT

 

[CanadienShark]

Your clown shoes are showing again

Those are yours buddy.

 

[lionsDen]

Those are yours buddy.

since your name was bozzo I assumed they were yours