Maatta to Chicago for Kahun, 5th round pick

[Turin]

If Sullivan plays JJ on the second pairing, that would indicate a bigger problem than JJ, no?

Yes, but part of that problem is you absolutely cannot have Johnson and Gudbranson as a pairing.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Yes, but part of that problem is you absolutely cannot have Johnson and Gudbranson as a pairing.

And that has what to do with this trade again, on its merits?

Don't get me twisted, I don't want JJ on the team. But if Sully puts that pair together it's on him.

 

[Turin]

And that has what to do with this trade again, on its merits?

Don't get me twisted, I don't want JJ on the team. But if Sully puts that pair together it's on him.

Who do you put him with? He sinks the second pairing and will make Gudbranson a negative too. You should scratch him but if he’s gonna be scratched you need to just buy him out.

As for what it has to do with the trade, if it was down to Maatta and JJ they traded the wrong guy. I was also being facetious.

 

[vikingGoalie]

I'm just hung up on the "OR" statement by JR. Him saying he had to trade Maatta OR JJ. Hopefully he meant AND But the return for Olli was quite good, so I'm hopeful something will be done with the D to improve it more.

 

[dogthateats]

It was kind of cool seeing Kahun receive votes in a few different individual awards last night.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

And that has what to do with this trade again, on its merits?

Don't get me twisted, I don't want JJ on the team. But if Sully puts that pair together it's on him.

Yup. This is the actual problem with going into next season with JJ still on the roster. I could be fine with it... if I could trust the coaching staff to scratch him half the time and only play him minimal minutes on the bottom pairing kept the hell away from any line that is actually responsible for making anything important happen. But I don't. I don't trust them at all, really. After the last few years of trashbag lineup decisions, musical chairs and 5 man units that are more dysfunctional than holidays with my family... why would I?

People keep harping on the players and often rightfully so. But they aren't the only ones that should have to "prove it" next year. They aren't the only ones collecting their millions a little too casually. At least in my opinion.

 

[ZeroPucksGiven]

Yes, but part of that problem is you absolutely cannot have Johnson and Gudbranson as a pairing.

2 First round picks on the same pairing. What could go wrong?

 

[Andy99]

Yes, but part of that problem is you absolutely cannot have Johnson and Gudbranson as a pairing.

See I would way rather do that as a third pairing at 15 min a night or less than have JJ with Schultz again...horror show...worst case for me if JJ is still here is him playing second pair minutes or with Schultz...you can play JJ and Guds out against opposing teams’ fourth lines, and that assumes Petts can handle the top 4 role and minutes...if he can’t we’re screwed...the Pens can also insert Riikola for JJ depending on team or circumstance

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

I'm just hung up on the "OR" statement by JR. Him saying he had to trade Maatta OR JJ. Hopefully he meant AND But the return for Olli was quite good, so I'm hopeful something will be done with the D to improve it more.

What i believe he meant was we AT LEAST had to trade one of Maatta or Johnson.

 

[NoMessi]

Im a bit late to this thread but I just wanted to come here and celebrate Johnny Drama style;

VICTORYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!

 

[BHD]

I would be fine with Gudbranson if he was expected to be a bottom pairing guy and was on a cheaper contract. However, his contract is that of a Top 4 guy.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

I would be fine with Gudbranson if he was expected to be a bottom pairing guy and was on a cheaper contract. However, his contract is that of a Top 4 guy.

Do most top four defensemen make $4 million per year?

 

[66-30-33]

I like this trade, good luck to you Maatta in Chicago, hopefully he improves with them. This space opens up the Jake raise.

 

[BHD]

Do most top four defensemen make $4 million per year?

Signed long-term? I guess my point is that Guds is a mediocre guy getting paid because the team thinks he’s more than that.,

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Signed long-term? I guess my point is that Guds is a mediocre guy getting paid because the team thinks he’s more than that.,

Oh I don't think that he is all that great. And he is overpaid. But not by some huge amount. $4 million per isn't all that much anymore.

 

[Peat]

Do most top four defensemen make $4 million per year?

Yeah. Or at least, most of the 85 guys with a cap hit of 4m should be playing top 4, because I don't think there's much more than 35 ELC players in NHL top 4s. Certainly, it's a lot of money for a 5D and if you were doing a strict "Your TOI should match the ranking of your pay to be justified", 4m dmen should be logging 20 minutes or so.

But I think given NHL economics, that'd be an odd stance to take.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Yeah. Or at least, most of the 85 guys with a cap hit of 4m should be playing top 4, because I don't think there's much more than 35 ELC players in NHL top 4s. Certainly, it's a lot of money for a 5D and if you were doing a strict "Your TOI should match the ranking of your pay to be justified", 4m dmen should be logging 20 minutes or so.

But I think given NHL economics, that'd be an odd stance to take.

I said that he is overpaid. But not by enough to worry overly much about. If he were making $3 million people would be fine. $2.5 million, not over the moon happy but pretty happy. I just am saying that he, and his salary, is toward the bottom if issues on this team.

 

[Peat]

I said that he is overpaid. But not by enough to worry overly much about. If he were making $3 million people would be fine. $2.5 million, not over the moon happy but pretty happy. I just am saying that he, and his salary, is toward the bottom if issues on this team.

Fair - just I did the numbers, so I wanted to share.

 

[TheTang58]

If Sullivan plays JJ on the second pairing, that would indicate a bigger problem than JJ, no?

What else is Sully supposed to do? A JJ/Guds pairing would get turned inside out every shift.

 

[JRS91]

I think you have to put Johnson with Schultz.

You have to hope that Schultz can stay healthy and can carry that pairing. Pettersson and Gudbranson was actually a decent pairing for us, if Gudbranson can continue to play the way he did, I see no reason why that can't be arguably our second best pairing.

 

[Turin]

I think you have to put Johnson with Schultz.

You have to hope that Schultz can stay healthy and can carry that pairing. Pettersson and Gudbranson was actually a decent pairing for us, if Gudbranson can continue to play the way he did, I see no reason why that can't be arguably our second best pairing.

Schultz is not good enough to do that.

 

[Andy99]

Yeah, my D pairs if we stay pat would be...

Dumo-Letang
Petts-Schultz
Riikola-Guds
with JJ rotating in for Riikola depending on the team, like a slower Western team...

 

[Gurglesons]

Honestly, as I said last year. If JJ is in the line-up...

JJ - Letang
Dumo - Schultz
Pettersson - Gudbranson.

And then we all complain about Letang.

 

[Andy99]

Honestly, as I said last year. If JJ is in the line-up...

JJ - Letang
Dumo - Schultz
Pettersson - Gudbranson.

And then we all complain about Letang.

This works too...maybe...worth a shot..

 

[NoMessi]

Honestly, as I said last year. If JJ is in the line-up...

JJ - Letang
Dumo - Schultz
Pettersson - Gudbranson.

And then we all complain about Letang.

Its 2019 and JJ and EG is part of a teams top 6. Shame on you GMJR.

Will hopefully soon forget that 2018-2019 penguins had JJ, EG and OM at the same time - and people wondered why Malkin/Kessel was stuck in the defensive zone for 9 months. People also blamed Letang, the guy finishing 6th in the Norris voting. Please lord, let me forget.

This said, Im not too worried by EG as of now. Its just that you cant have both JJ and EG at the same time, and JJ is one of the worst players in the entire league.