Juan said:
At the U-18 Worlds, the U.S. U-18 team, after playing and practicing together all year, has been getting beaten by a scrub team of U-18 CHLer's culled from teams that missed the playoffs. But they could give a "better game" to one of the best CHL teams in history? Right.
Your recounting of the NTDP's past is completely disingenuous. The tournament in Erie was played during the time period when the OHL teams each had their best 5-8 players at NHL training camps, either as draft picks or as free agent invites. The OHL stopped playing those games when it clued into the fact that it was in competition with the NTDP to recruit the best U.S. players.
Bottom line: if the talent level in college hockey were "much deeper", the percentage of players drafted and/or signed by, and playing in, the NHL/AHL would reflect that, especially when the CBA makes it more favorable for a team to draft a college player. As everybody knows, of course there is no such reflection.
Here is where your arguement is wrong 1. The NTDP team won the U-18's two years ago and lost in the finals to Russia last year. I'm not sure if they beat Canada two years ago but I know they did last year. So in fact Canada has not been beating the US team. 2. Here is a list of your so called players picked to form "a scrub team of U-18 CHLer's culled from teams that missed the playoffs" :
Dubnyk - 1st round - 14 overall
Chipchure - 1st round - 18 overall
Schultz - 1st round - 27 overall
Rogers - 1st round - 30 overall
Funk - 2nd round - 43 overall
Garlock - 2nd round - 45 overall
Byers - 2nd round - 48 overall
Wharton - 2nd round - 59 overall
Pogge - 3rd round
Berti - 3rd round
Lammers - 3rd round
O'Neil - 4th round
Reddox - 4th round
McGrath - 4th round
Versteeg - 5th round
Cabana - 6th round
Rizk - 7th round
Hunter - 8th round
Gagnon - 8th round
Schulz - 8th round
Tsimikalis - UNDRAFTED
Sigalet - DID NOT OPT IN - Rated #3 college player for 2005 draft
Hardly a "srcub" team compared to the US team who had 5 total draft picks only one of which was a first rounder (Cory Schneider, who was just brought in for the tournament)
So the US team with 5 drafted players beat the Canadian team who had all but
2 players drafted, one of which will get drafted this year. Now lets compare this to Londons roster of draft picks:
Rob Schremp - 25th
Corey Perry - 28th
Dave Bolland - 32nd
Brandon Prust - 70th
Frank Rediker - 118th
Trevor Kell - 131st
Marc Methot - 168th
Dylan Hunter - 273rd
8 players total, neither of the first rounders (Schremp & Perry went higher than Dubnyk or Chipchura) London may be one of the best teams in CHL history (personally I think it's to early to tell) but don't make the comparison to an U-18 team with 20 drafted players.
For your next arguement, you say that OHL teams stopped playing against the NTDP because they realized they were competing against them for the best US players. If the CHL is so much better and the teams in the CHL are that much deeper, why wouldn't they want to consistently destroy the NTDP to show the best US players that they should go the major route?? Because they were losing to the NTDP which made the CHL look bad. Why would a top US kid go to a major junior team that was consistently losing to the NTDP??
Finally, I will admit, I do remember now that during the tournament in Erie, some of the OHL players were in pro camps. You got one thing right.