Morgoth Bauglir
Master Of The Fates Of Arda
NHL should entrust their franchises to AHL talent then
And the players can go play in the bush leagues ie the KHL. Enjoy those bus rides through Siberia boys
NHL should entrust their franchises to AHL talent then
The players aren't losing anything except money they haven't earned yet.
The owners are watching money they already had and invested lose value.
That's all that needs to be said.
The players aren't losing anything except money they haven't earned yet.
The owners are watching money they already had and invested lose value.
That's all that needs to be said.
The players aren't losing anything except money they haven't earned yet.
The owners are watching money they already had and invested lose value.
That's all that needs to be said.
A large portion of those players, current NHLPA members, will never be seen in the NHL again.
Oops. It appears that the players should have signed long ago.
The more relevant question is whether, over the life of whatever agreement is finally made, the gains (or lower losses) for current and future players will be greater than the losses of the small number of players whose NHL careers won't meaningfully resume after the league lifts the lockout.
In the last lockout, they were, by a huge margin. The PA benefitted tremendously from the lockout.
Impossible to say, until we can look backwards from the next CBA negotiation.
Tell that to those that won't be back.
Doesn't change the plain fact that for the vast majority of PA members, pushing to a lockout last time was a HUGE win.
Time will tell if history repeats, or merely rhymes.
Honestly, its because I think few of them actually take the time to look at the proposals to see what they are really made of, they just want to get the bullet points, write an article on why Bettman/Fehr are so bad (and lets face it, 50% of these reporters have an agenda to start with, so its not like they are doing objective reporting anyways). The math is not hard, but they do not want to do the work it seems. Reporters eyes glaze over when Fehr or Bettman starts talking terms they do not understand, and instead of admitting their ignorance and asking, they just keep nodding their head.
McKenzie is the only reporter I have seen so far who analyzed the players proposal to the point he realized its not 50/50.
I personally do not think the reporters are skipping it to keep interviews. I fully expect 95% of the NHLPA do not even understand what they are offering is not 50/50. I'd be surprised if more than 5% of then even gave their own unions proposals more than a 1 minute bullet point glance (although arguably thats all Bettman/Daly seem to need to shoot it down). Some may appreciate the honesty more than people give them credit for. I'd bet 75% of the players think they are at 50/50 and the owners just do not want to play is the only explanation. I think if they realized just how far apart the proposals are, the pressure on the union by rank and file membership would be significantly higher to move their proposal forward, work off the owners proposal.
The players aren't losing anything except money they haven't earned yet.
The owners are watching money they already had and invested lose value.
That's all that needs to be said.
Thats not exactly true though, because no-one knows how the original offer would have ended up long term. CBAs never unfold the way they are expected to over multiple years. All that we know is numerous players who went through the last lockout said it wasnt worth it.Thing about that is, the deal the players wound up getting in July was much better than what they were being offered in February (a flat $42 million cap with no linkage), long-term anyway. They took a hit in the short term with the $39 million cap that went up to $70 million and HRR going back up to 57%.
They are holding the fans hostage over greed and ego. Thats not really worthy of respect.People keep harping on the money the players are losing 'now' but on some level you have to respect that it's not the big concern for them.
Substitute "PA" for "players" and you are correct.
Some players are losing money, but the PA will always make its money because the owners want to pay them. Its just unfortunate that some of the players will be sacrificed for this crusade of greed.
The players aren't losing anything except money they haven't earned yet.
The owners are watching money they already had and invested lose value.
That's all that needs to be said.
I see, so I guess we should ask the NFL and NBA what percentage we can give the players next CBA.
Substitute "some" players with "many"; the pending player turnover will also occur while entering into a new CBA that most likely will pay the players a smaller percentage of overall HRR going forward.
Riptide,
Thanks for all the number work. I am looking at our spreadsheet about the latest offers. I am not sure exactly what is wrong, but it looks to me like there is an error in the calculation of revenue, especially for the year ending 2013. I see greater revenue growth there in real dollars than in any other year, so I think the math in the spread sheet is off some how.
Thanks again.
The players aren't losing anything except money they haven't earned yet.
The owners are watching money they already had and invested lose value.
That's all that needs to be said.
I agree, people have been sweeping the number of UFA's in the next two years under the rug. The numbers are pretty scary.
I think I recall someone saying that a free market wouldn't hurt the players, but if that's the case, shouldn't increased supply lower demand? We're not even counting the young guys coming up in the system either.
The players aren't losing anything except money they haven't earned yet.
The owners are watching money they already had and invested lose value.
That's all that needs to be said.
The players aren't losing anything except money they haven't earned yet.
The owners are watching money they already had and invested lose value.
That's all that needs to be said.
You've made this argument over and over.
The owners are losing value in an asset that only translates to an appreciable cash loss at an arbitrary future point that they decide to liquidate it, if they ever decide to liquidate it.
The players are losing hard, guaranteed cash money every two weeks they don't sign a deal. They can never recover this money, the value of it will never rebound.
What point are you trying to make except you love Fehr and hate the NHL?
With that logic, I guess I should just quit my job.
Why should they?
They're giving up percentage. Not all of it. But lots of it.
Now, what are you giving up?
So who wins? This is a lose lose for the players. The ONLY way the players "win" is if they get rid of the cap. And even then the majority of the players lose. The cap has decreased the top salaries, yet increased everyone else's (which is the majority of the NHLPA).
Really? The players earned 1.8B last year. They're earning less than 100m combined this year. Half the owners lost money last year (or a 1/3 - pick whatever number makes you feel better)...
Thanks. Its under the assumption that they had played 82 games this year AND had 5% growth (although growth is adjustable). Yes it's unrealistic, however I'm not sure how/what else to put there in year 1 (2012) for revenue.