They also wanted a shorter term CBA..
Right, but that also doesn't seem insurmountable, after the money has been agreed to. Split the difference, 7 or 8 year CBA? I was focusing on contract limits because of Daly's "hill we die on" comment.
They also wanted a shorter term CBA..
Right, but that also doesn't seem insurmountable, after the money has been agreed to. Split the difference, 7 or 8 year CBA? I was focusing on contract limits because of Daly "hill we die on" comment.
The money was never agreed to.
The NHL said we'll give you the money, you give us contract limit. Players took the money and offered alternative.
At end of the day, yes, they aren't that far but if players don't want to give limits, then why would NHL agree to giving more money? It's not really about what's right or wrong but from NHL point of view, that was the deal.
To end the embarrassing money grab that is this lockout. To do their job, which is to ensure that hockey is played.
Frame the situation however you want, bottom line is, there were two offers with identical money:
- 50/50, 250m make whole, 50m pension, 5/7 year contract limits, 10 year CBA
- 50/50, 250m make whole, 50m pension, 8 year contract limits, 6-8 year CBA
IMO that is not enough of a difference to cancel a season.
So if it were 100 mil make whole and 8 year length players should agree?
Point was they negotiated the make whole higher in return for limits. For whatever reason that's not included in the nhlpa's package.
They also wanted a shorter term CBA..
10 year CBA
Actually, those are the only things that were agreed on, before the latest fit of hissy. 50/50 HRR split, $250M make whole, $50M outside the HRR split to pensions.
That's never been confirmed. Many sources say that the players' proposal continues to included clauses that turn it into an essentially de-linked system, such as a clause that does not allow the players share to ever decrease from the previous year. So there's linkage, but only upwards linkage.
I don't see this thing getting to Jan 2nd and I expect they will come to terms and announce a 48 game schedule on or before that date.
They don't care about these things so much. Egos. That's what they're fighting over. Bragging rights as to who "won".
Disgusting how much no one cares about the fans in those negociations.
The players already lost more in this cancelled half-season than what the owners wanted to rollback in the first place.
But in your world, Bettman and Fehr are in Star wars 7, fighting with light sabres. Grasp reality, please.
Look to Jacobs and his ilk if you want to blame.That has been my position from the beginning, and it is more justified every day.
It has been confirmed - http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=411086
I've seen reports of the BOG rejecting the latest union offer based on contract length limits, CBA term and buyout calculations, but not on linkage limits. What are the sources you are citing?
If they don't start by my birthday (Jan 31), I'll be way to pumped for the Blue Jays to care about anything the NHL does this season.
Not sure where else to put this but Emelin is going to the KHL all star game, as is former Hab Perezhogin.
The out of town thread got buried under the various lockout related topics.
Not sure I really care where Emelin plays.
You don't care that a Habs player is doing well in whatever league he's playing in?
I still believe. Mostly because I think both sides understand the urgency of getting a deal and the risk of losing a season.
For all we know, Gary's plan/instruction was to wait till the very last second...