TopShelfYzerman
Gm 7 Double OT
Youre funny. Almost comicalLemieux
Jagr
Sakic
Forsberg
Fedorov
Bure
I'd put Lindros somewhere in this tier of player:
Selanne
Kariya
Francis
Sundin
Youre funny. Almost comicalLemieux
Jagr
Sakic
Forsberg
Fedorov
Bure
I'd put Lindros somewhere in this tier of player:
Selanne
Kariya
Francis
Sundin
1997 Stanley Cup FinalsYoure funny. Almost comical
I would also add that during Lindros’ peak, Forsberg does not have an argument to be considered the better player.
Let's say 'Eye Test'.Ranking Sakic and Forsberg during Lindros's peak years is debatable, considering at that point, neither player edged out Lindros for a higher PPG, nor were they receiving Selke votes at the time, except for Forsberg's last season during that time span. Which is the only one that can contend for Lindros's peak seasons. Is his 2nd in selke voting but lower PPG finish by at least 3 ranks (Depending on which season you consider to be Lindros's best) enough to edge out Lindros's peak?
During his peak, only Lemieux, Jagr, Fedorov or Forsberg have an argument for being better, or if we're to include the entirety of his best years, then only Jagr, Fedorov and Lemieux. So that makes him at least the 4th best forward in the regular season
Sakic was a better leader, and a better player. Maybe his PPG didn't stack up, but his play on ice certainly did, and his Conn Smyth should count for a lot more in this argument."We only want players here who have the passion to play the game. I'm tired of hearing that name. He's not here and there are a lot of others in this locker room who really care about the game."
Let's say 'Eye Test'.
Do you remember Sakic's Conn Smyth run? Or his Hart run (After Lindros Peak).
When Sakic was 'on', there was something about his determination that lead you to believe that once he crossed the blue line you knew he was going to score with a cut to the middle, and a ridiculous wrist shot. We caught it again in 2001. Saw it in the Gold Medal game in the SLC Olympics. He plays at a level far beyond where Lindros ever was.
Sakic also took Lindros' snubbing of the Nordiques to heart, and won a cup without him.
Sakic was a better leader, and a better player. Maybe his PPG didn't stack up, but his play on ice certainly did, and his Conn Smyth should count for a lot more in this argument.
Sakic is quite easily a top 15 player of all time, and Lindros is quite easily not. Saying Lindros' peak doesn't stack up to Sakic really shouldn't be considered a sleight.
From 1990-2003 (giving some grace years before and after Lindros' prime to account for the primes of players who played around him) and among players who played at least 300 games, PPG leaders look like this:
1. Mario Lemieux - 1.91
2. Wayne Gretzky - 1.43
3. Pat LaFontaine - 1.32
4. Jaromir Jagr - 1.30
5. Peter Forsberg - 1.27
6. Joe Sakic - 1.25
7. Eric Lindros - 1.23
8. Cam Neely - 1.22
9. Adam Oates - 1.17
10. Steve Yzerman - 1.17
From 2003-2016 with the same parameters for Malkin, we get:
1. Sidney Crobsy - 1.33
2. Evgeni Malkin - 1.18
3. Alex Ovechkin - 1.15
4. Joe Thornton - 1.08
5. Joe Sakic - 1.06
6. Ilya Kovalchuk - 1.02
7. Patrick Kane - 1.01
8. Marc Savard - 1.01
9. Pavel Datsyuk - 1.00
10. Martin St. Louis - 1.00
So clearly the answer here is Joe Sakic.
The long story short then:I wasn't watching hockey then. But my responses to your post have been about 93-97, you also said he's maybe the 4th best player at his peak during the regular season.
Sakic's best regular season years weren't even during Lindros's peak. His 2000-01 season is better than anything Lindros has done.
The discussion wasn't about their primes, not even about who had the better overall peak. Both of which I'd say go to Sakic. It was about a certain period that Lindros had his best years in
The long story short then:
There's a reason Sakic has a cup during Lindros' peak. And it wasn't just PPG.
Lindros had a 50 goal scorer on his line in Leclair.
Brind Amour as a 2nd line C and a 3 time Norris winner in Coffey.
Nice try on Goalies. Hextall had a Vezina a Conn Smyth. He also had a better save% than Roy in several of those years.
multiple 100 point player Recchi on his team.
The discussion wasn't about their primes, not even about who had the better overall peak. Both of which I'd say go to Sakic. It was about a certain period that Lindros had his best years in
BIGGEST @What IF@ is Almo. Pass? stickhandlig, shot, vision - all kinds of offensive ability in top 10-20 all-time/ Lindor like bure wasnt underachievers. They syle, which made them great, was the reason why them retired too lateHe is extremely appealing when watching Youtube videos and he had a style of play that was very enticing. But at the end, the results weren't all that great. At his peak, Kariya and Selänne were only 7 pts behind. Mogilny and Weight not far off either...
I think Lindros is one of the biggest what ifs in NHL history by the way. Too bad all those injuries got in the way.
Fedorov 94? healthy Mario, some guy from Oilers in 80s..Lindros AINEC. Peak Lindros is the most dominant player of All time
Malkin and Lindros were pretty comparable in the D zone. Malkin gets underrated there more often than not. The one edge Lindros has is physical play.[/QUOTE
Physical play is on o may be main reason of his dominance. And he was doomed due to it. Malkin in the best was most dominant player since Mario and he rely mostly on his pure skills
Too bad "scaring the **** out of you" doesn't actually count for anything, though.
I really don't get the comparison here. Lindros' peak full season wasn't even the best season of any player that year, and you really expect me to believe that he was better than peak Malkin, who had the best individual season of any player since 2000? Get out of here with that crap.
Lindros didn't even finish top-5 in points in his best full season, and based on his pace, he still would have finished 20 points behind 2nd place (Jagr) and 32 points behind 1st place (Lemieux). He wasn't some defensive ace either, he was never even in the top-10 in Selke voting. Malkin had more ES points in 2011-2012 than Lindros had in 1995-1996, when goal scoring was 15% higher in 95-96.