NatoGhost
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No it wont, QO is capped at 120% of AAVwow his QO after this contract will be 7.2 avv cap hit just like sergachev
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No it wont, QO is capped at 120% of AAVwow his QO after this contract will be 7.2 avv cap hit just like sergachev
So this is not a critique of JFBB, but I don't think it's unreasonable to point out that Y generally got better deals in these situations.
But JFBB is the one that got us over the hump. We're certainly not overpaying - but these are pretty comparable to deals comparable players elsewhere received. Maybe it's a shift in the way agents/players approach us or deals in general, but I don't feel like we're getting "steals" anymore.
Agreed, this feels at-market. As did Point (given the term) and Vasy.
Makes some sense, though. Presumably a guy like TJ gave us a bit of a discount because of the NTC and a desire to stay in Tampa. Now it's clear his NTC isn't worth a whole lot -- we would've happily given him away for free, and we've put him in a situation where he felt is in his best interest to give us a list of teams he'd waive for.
If I'm one of our new free agents, I'd see that and say no thanks to giving a discount. Not that an NTC is on the table anyway (they're restricted over the full term), just the idea of sacrificing to stay in Tampa wouldn't feel worth it. Not saying that would be enough to make me go full Nylander and try to squeeze out every last dollar, I'd just want reasonable value.
Tend to agreeJBB overpaid him 800k per year I think he should have got 4 avv and that would have been generous.
Last two seasons- 2018-2019 goals 19 and 20 assists = 39 points
2019-2020- 16 goals - 28 assists and 44 points
career playoff numbers 46 games played- 6 goals and 8 assists = 14 points.
4.8 Avv for a 3 year deal was more then what Kucherov got on his bridge deal and Vasy only got 3.5 avv for 3 years on his bridge deal.
4.8 avv for cirell was an overpayment! Don’t get me wrong kid is a solid good two way player but him and sergachev got overpaid on these bridge deals.
this past playoffs cirell had 9 points in 25 games very average playoffs not even good.
JBB overpaid him 800k per year I think he should have got 4 avv and that would have been generous.
Last two seasons- 2018-2019 goals 19 and 20 assists = 39 points
2019-2020- 16 goals - 28 assists and 44 points
career playoff numbers 46 games played- 6 goals and 8 assists = 14 points.
4.8 Avv for a 3 year deal was more then what Kucherov got on his bridge deal and Vasy only got 3.5 avv for 3 years on his bridge deal.
4.8 avv for cirell was an overpayment! Don’t get me wrong kid is a solid good two way player but him and sergachev got overpaid on these bridge deals.
this past playoffs cirell had 9 points in 25 games very average playoffs not even good.
Cirelli's comparable is DeBrusk, he got 1m more but we got an extra year of a young player. He was obviously going to be the most expensive, I'm not sure why Sergachev got as much as he did for 3rd pairing Dman. McAvoy is a direct comparble and does a whole lot more. All 3 of these contracts seem more fair than steals as pointed out.
Because when McD is gone in a few years, Serge is replacing him. Then when Hedman is gone, he's replacing him. We're not handing Serge a big bridge for just any reason. If he develops like we think he will over the next two years, he's a 1D on almost any team but ours as long as Hemonster is here.
RFA's have little to no leverage, their contracts should be based mostly results thus far moreso than potential otherwise you end up like Toronto. His caphit is extremely high for what he's shown so far that 4.8m should've been for a long term contract, not a bridge.
You can't compare this offseason's bridge deal AAVs with bridge deals of 4 years ago and use it as an argument. If you want to use it as such, you should look at the % the bridge deal is compared to the cap in that same year, as the cap lower 4 years ago.JBB overpaid him 800k per year I think he should have got 4 avv and that would have been generous.
Last two seasons- 2018-2019 goals 19 and 20 assists = 39 points
2019-2020- 16 goals - 28 assists and 44 points
career playoff numbers 46 games played- 6 goals and 8 assists = 14 points.
4.8 Avv for a 3 year deal was more then what Kucherov got on his bridge deal and Vasy only got 3.5 avv for 3 years on his bridge deal.
4.8 avv for cirell was an overpayment! Don’t get me wrong kid is a solid good two way player but him and sergachev got overpaid on these bridge deals.
this past playoffs cirell had 9 points in 25 games very average playoffs not even good.
Look deeper than those surface numbers - his offensive numbers my look somewhat pedestrian until you see his PP time and 5v5 production. Thats what makes him exceptional.JBB overpaid him 800k per year I think he should have got 4 avv and that would have been generous.
Last two seasons- 2018-2019 goals 19 and 20 assists = 39 points
2019-2020- 16 goals - 28 assists and 44 points
career playoff numbers 46 games played- 6 goals and 8 assists = 14 points.
4.8 Avv for a 3 year deal was more then what Kucherov got on his bridge deal and Vasy only got 3.5 avv for 3 years on his bridge deal.
4.8 avv for cirell was an overpayment! Don’t get me wrong kid is a solid good two way player but him and sergachev got overpaid on these bridge deals.
this past playoffs cirell had 9 points in 25 games very average playoffs not even good.
I'm fine with what we paid all 3. Would you want it a little lower sure, but all 3 are good players and I think they got fair deals for how good they are.
Agree.. all Fair deals.
Sergachev is pretty much better than a third paring Dman though, he’s given that role but I assume it’s to spread out the talent on the left, since their right side isn’t exactly amazing. Instead of just playing one defenseman the 30 minutes and hoping that’s enough to mask an awful bottom pair, just have a great defenseman, who can carry a pair, all game.Cirelli's comparable is DeBrusk, he got 1m more but we got an extra year of a young player. He was obviously going to be the most expensive, I'm not sure why Sergachev got as much as he did for 3rd pairing Dman. McAvoy is a direct comparble and does a whole lot more. All 3 of these contracts seem more fair than steals as pointed out.
Sergachev is pretty much better than a third paring Dman though, he’s given that role but I assume it’s to spread out the talent on the left, since their right side isn’t exactly amazing. Instead of just playing one defenseman the 30 minutes and hoping that’s enough to mask an awful bottom pair, just have a great defenseman, who can carry a pair, all game.
I don’t think either player will look overpaid 1/3 into this season. Cirelli could still improve and I’ve read he’s getting a chance for more power play time this season. He scored about the same pace or higher as a few higher paid guys around the league, while being way better both directions.
I’m not a total slave to analytics but I don’t ignore them either, and I think it’s fair to say his playoff scoring was dragged by his line mates performance some games + the context of a bubble isn’t quite the same as normal circumstances in his regular season + just a larger sample size