OT: Let's talk about movies (and TV shows)... Part XIX

[GoodKiwi]

I would watch them in order. I do believe the story follows somewhat, kind of like the Bourne Identity series of movies.

I do think that the Mission Impossible comparison to James Bond is apropos since both deal with espionage although MI may resonate more with the younger generation. If you like James Bond there's really no reason not to watch MI. Where MI can't touch Bond is in the originals with Connery and Moore but then again neither can the newer Bond films and I'm really not a fan of Daniel Craig as Bond.

You don't find "Casino Royale" to be the best 007 film ever? I certainly do. The only other contenders here are "Goldfinger" and "From Russia With Love" in my view, but that's about it. I'm not a fan of Moore, Dalton or (d'oh!) Brosnan era movies.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Oh so this is turning into a Cruise Bond battle royal of who's the best?

I'll add my pinch to it;

I really liked the first MI even though it was too Ethan Hunt-centric. Mission Impossible is a team format. Why copy the Bond formula, cuz that's almost what it is? And it's Tom Cruise. Is there an actor who comes closer to a real life version of Tugg Speedman? Anyway, on a pure entertainment value, I liked all the MI movies, although some were more memorable than others. MI3 was pretty good, thanks to PSH and a really good script (for MI relatively speaking). I'll be sure to watch the new one whenever it's digitally available and not a bootleg.

The latest Bond movies with Daniel Craig are far better IMO, although not all as good as some of the best MIs (1&3).

I hope the Bond series keeps trying to reinvent itself with the coming of a new actor, as they did when Craig came along. The genre needs it desperately, because between all the Bond, MI and pretenders movies, the sauce has been thinned out.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

You don't find "Casino Royale" to be the best 007 film ever? I certainly do. The only other contenders here are "Goldfinger" and "From Russia With Love" in my view, but that's about it. I'm not a fan of Moore, Dalton or (d'oh!) Brosnan era movies.

Mads Mikkelsen is such a great villain. Can't have a great movie without a great villain.

 

[Bryson]

Whenever I see Liam Neeson mentioned, I am reminded of his "particular set of skills", from this scene:

You may have watched this already but Seth McFarlane from Family Guy does a Kermit the Frog impression from that scene. Once you hear it, it cannot be unheard lol. I love Graham Norton's talk show, it's head and shoulders above any of the american talkshows.

Starts @5:10

 

[GoodKiwi]

Mads Mikkelsen is such a great villain. Can't have a great movie without a great villain.

Hear hear!

Casino Royale gets my vote for the way it reinvented the Bond character in a very intense and haunted kind of a way. It's a masterpiece that I keep re-visiting to this day, at least once per year.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Hear hear!

Casino Royale gets my vote for the way it reinvented the Bond character in a very intense and haunted kind of a way. It's a masterpiece that I keep re-visiting to this day, at least once per year.

Spectre is my second favorite. It was high time they'd revisit the illuminati-like international cabal they created in QOS, something the Bond saga never had and was dearly missing. Comes a day when you have to bring something new, and it was the right call, it will give more depth and intrige, and a storyline that is continuous and organic throughout the movies.

 

[Bryson]

You don't find "Casino Royale" to be the best 007 film ever? I certainly do. The only other contenders here are "Goldfinger" and "From Russia With Love" in my view, but that's about it. I'm not a fan of Moore, Dalton or (d'oh!) Brosnan era movies.

Casino Royale is a great film and I know that it is highly regarded among the Bond films but I just find the whole premise that James Bond saves the world... by playing a game of cards kind of silly.

I hope the Bond series keeps trying to reinvent itself with the coming of a new actor, as they did when Craig came along. The genre needs it desperately, because between all the Bond, MI and pretenders movies, the sauce has been thinned out.

Last I heard Idris Elba was the front runner to be the next Bond.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Casino Royale is a great film and I know that it is highly regarded among the Bond films but I just find the whole premise that James Bond saves the world... by playing a game of cards kind of silly.



Last I heard Idris Elba was the front runner to be the next Bond.

I just read that it won't be Elba, which I really wouldn't have minded, I really like Elba, watched the whole Luther series.

Supposedly it's gonna be a black guy one way or another. Just hope they don't go with Boyega, way too goofy-looking to play Bond. He's great as a Solo surrogate, but I just don't see him as Bond material.

 

[HBDay]

I just read that it won't be Elba, which I really wouldn't have minded, I really like Elba, watched the whole Luther series.

Supposedly it's gonna be a black guy one way or another. Just hope they don't go with Boyega, way too goofy-looking to play Bond. He's great as a Solo surrogate, but I just don't see him as Bond material.

Agrees on boyega, as shallows as it seems the bond character has to be classically good looking, don't care what colour skin but gotta have that jaw line and strong features.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Agrees on boyega, as shallows as it seems the bond character has to be classically good looking, don't care what colour skin but gotta have that jaw line and strong features.

I have to mention, I really like Boyega, really like his Finn character, almost as mush as Solo who he's tailored on.

But I just saw him in PR Uprising, and I just can't imagine him as Bond. He's more in the Ford/Pratt mold of heroes who tend more on the comedic side.

 

[overlords]

Oh so this is turning into a Cruise Bond battle royal of who's the best?

I'll add my pinch to it;

I really liked the first MI even though it was too Ethan Hunt-centric. Mission Impossible is a team format. Why copy the Bond formula, cuz that's almost what it is? And it's Tom Cruise. Is there an actor who comes closer to a real life version of Tugg Speedman? Anyway, on a pure entertainment value, I liked all the MI movies, although some were more memorable than others. MI3 was pretty good, thanks to PSH and a really good script (for MI relatively speaking). I'll be sure to watch the new one whenever it's digitally available and not a bootleg.

The latest Bond movies with Daniel Craig are far better IMO, although not all as good as some of the best MIs (1&3).

I hope the Bond series keeps trying to reinvent itself with the coming of a new actor, as they did when Craig came along. The genre needs it desperately, because between all the Bond, MI and pretenders movies, the sauce has been thinned out.

Always thought the first MI had some tension a slight psychological angle to it, whereas the sequels were essentially run of the mill hollywood action blockbuster schlock. Was never a big fan of Cruise but I'll take Minority Report and Edge of Tomorrow over any of them. Grew up loving Golden Eye and Brosnan as Bond, but realized that outside GE, none of his bond films were all that good. I also played way too much of GE on N64. Thought the invisible car in Die another Day was the dumbest thing and that's saying something for the bond series of films. I'll throw out Live and Let Die as another favorite of mine. Baron Samedi was cool AF as a villain and it's got a great song too.

I just read that it won't be Elba, which I really wouldn't have minded, I really like Elba, watched the whole Luther series.
Supposedly it's gonna be a black guy one way or another. Just hope they don't go with Boyega, way too goofy-looking to play Bond. He's great as a Solo surrogate, but I just don't see him as Bond material.

One wonders at what point one draws the line between inclusion and pandering

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Always thought the first MI had some tension a slight psychological angle to it, whereas the sequels were essentially run of the mill hollywood action blockbuster schlock. Was never a big fan of Cruise but I'll take Minority Report and Edge of Tomorrow over any of them. Grew up loving Golden Eye and Brosnan as Bond, but realized that outside GE, none of his bond films were all that good. I also played way too much of GE on N64. Thought the invisible car in Die another Day was the dumbest thing and that's saying something for the bond series of films. I'll throw out Live and Let Die as another favorite of mine. Baron Samedi was cool AF as a villain and it's got a great song too.

You can find great emulator versions of the N64 GE. Some remade versions are great too. Heard someone's working on a VR version of GE which would be great. Always loved Bond FPS. Syphon Filter. Metal Gear (the later versions) ect.

Really loved Edge of Tomorrow, but I'm a sucker for both time travel (sorta) and Emily Blunt so it was right up my alley, and even though I don't like Cruise, he was pretty good in that movie.

One wonders at what point one draws the line between inclusion and pandering

Yes and no. I think it's worst for Ghostbusters. Not because it's women, but because of the results and the total lack of commitment to make something unique as the old movies were. Granted, it was a tall order, but the insulting part is they seemed to not have even given a damn about that. Worst, if the idea was to pander, they did a deservice to women and reboots that are off-casted. That movie is a joke. It's almost as if Tommy Wiseau was given charge of the project.

With Bond, we're used to seeing different actors taking the mantle. Which one is it going to be now, the 8th or 9th actor to play Bond? I can't even keep count. So it's kinda normal they would go this way, especially with such a strong black presence in British society today.

 

[Bryson]

I just read that it won't be Elba, which I really wouldn't have minded, I really like Elba, watched the whole Luther series.

Supposedly it's gonna be a black guy one way or another. Just hope they don't go with Boyega, way too goofy-looking to play Bond. He's great as a Solo surrogate, but I just don't see him as Bond material.

Wow damn that's the first I've heard of Boyega being considered for the Bond role. Elba is just so suave that it's hard to imagine him not get the part. Just read that another darkhorse maybe Daniel Kaluuya from Black Panther who was nominated for a best actor this year for his role in Get Out. Even without his goofy looks, Boyega is still too young to play a proper Bond role. Not sure the world is ready for a black Bond. They'll probably go with one of the more popular white british actors like Tom Hardy, Aidan Turner, Tom Hiddleston or James Norton.

 

[Redux91]

For me, so far, MI4, MI5, MI1, MI3 and MI2 which despite being my least favorite, the truth is I hated it. I had high hopes with John Woo directing. Looking forward to seeing MI6.

Compared to the others, especially the last 3 (prior to #6), MI1 is quite different tonally. It was more of a spy movie, which I liked a lot. It had action, but it isn't as frantic as the others.

Couldnt of said it any better, the other movies are action movies, the first one is a spy movie, and i still enjoy it to this day

If you liked MI4 and MI5, which to me is like , where they really take it to a new level, youre gonna love MI6, which is basically a continuation of MI5 (same director and it shows), this director opts for more "practical" effects, which in this day and age if executed well comes out looking way more amazing, and cruise in a couple of those stunts, its just unreal

Its weird, weve gone from action franchises getting worse and embarrassingly worse as they moved along in sequels, normally "something something 6" was never a "good" action movie lol... but with these guys theyve seem to flip it on its ear and gotten better and better with each sequel, ghost protocol was a REAL eye opener, i expected a mission impossible "4" to have run its course, and it basically rebooted the franchise successfully because 6 is very very good

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Wow damn that's the first I've heard of Boyega being considered for the Bond role. Elba is just so suave that it's hard to imagine him not get the part. Just read that another darkhorse maybe Daniel Kaluuya from Black Panther who was nominated for a best actor this year for his role in Get Out. Even without his goofy looks, Boyega is still too young to play a proper Bond role. Not sure the world is ready for a black Bond. They'll probably go with one of the more popular white british actors like Tom Hardy, Aidan Turner, Tom Hiddleston or James Norton.

Ha ha you misread me. I didn't say he was considered. Just saying I hope they don't. I presume they might be tempted because of his present star appeal and he fits a part of the bill.

Kaluuya would be even worst. I just really don't see it.

Elba would be great but it seems it's a no-go. Id prefer him to all the white actors you named.

 

[groovejuice]

I was never enticed to watch Mission Impossible, figured it was just another formulaic CGI fest featuring a name actor.

Is it more than that? Why are some of you hooked on the franchise?

It's pure nostalgia for me. I loved the original series, first with Martin Landau, then Leonard Nimoy. It was much more clever than the films and didn't rely so heavily on pyrotechnics and now CGI to fill out the story.

Honestly, it's a stretch for me to accept Tom Cruise as an action hero. Having said this, there's still substantial entertainment value in the series.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

It's pure nostalgia for me. I loved the original series, first with Martin Landau, then Leonard Nimoy. It was much more clever than the films and didn't rely so heavily on pyrotechnics and now CGI to fill out the story.

Honestly, it's a stretch for me to accept Tom Cruise as an action hero. Having said this, there's still substantial entertainment value in the series.

I also have the same, uhm, problem. Although I do admire his dedication and his risk-taking, doing most of the stunts himself, at his age to boot. Gotta think that with his recent injury in the last MI, he might hold back a bit more from now on.

 

[Redux91]

I was never enticed to watch Mission Impossible, figured it was just another formulaic CGI fest featuring a name actor.

Is it more than that? Why are some of you hooked on the franchise?

Its a couple things, mainly its Tom Cruise, you can love the guy, you can hate the guy, i get it i really do, i understand why he rubs off badly on some people, and i also understand how some of that could be slight jealousy, doesnt matter, everyones allowed to feel how they want

BUT. when it comes to "movies" Cruise simply just gets it, he gets what makes a movie good, he gets what gets a movie talking, i personally think he's a very nice guy, more talented at acting than some people give him credit for (born on 4th of july, magnolia) and a huge huge action star who, again, does his OWN stunts, if nobody hasnt seen the scene where Tom is actually on the side of a plane as it takes off in MI5, its just, its such an amazing shot, the man was 54 years old when he did it

So a lot of it is Cruise, who, to me, cant seem to make a bad movie, he's good like that with his choices, and even more so, any movie he hops on, he gives creative insight and input to help make it better, and if you read articles on how production crews feel about him, it tells you a lot

But aside from the actor and person itself, Tom's made a lot of movies, and a lot of good movies sure, but what is HIS, most action stars have that franchise that just belongs to them and only them, Tom did Mission impossible 1 in 96 and im sure loved the experience and thinks its a great movie, but i bet even he would be surprised there's now 6 of these movies, and for the most part, all of them pretty damn ejoyable...except MI2, we dont talk about MI2 lol, but year 2000 was a different world, blended with good movies and bad movies a like, its a very very thankful thing Abrams of all people decided to do MI3 and keep it respectable, because 4 5 6 have been very very enjoyable movies

 

[groovejuice]

You don't find "Casino Royale" to be the best 007 film ever? I certainly do. The only other contenders here are "Goldfinger" and "From Russia With Love" in my view, but that's about it. I'm not a fan of Moore, Dalton or (d'oh!) Brosnan era movies.

I remember reading Casino Royale as a young teen, and the torture segment in the chair was as personally horrifying as anything I ever contemplated prior to that.

I agree that that film was the best Bond ever, not merely for the return to gadgetless storytelling, but for the steely, conparatively pensive portrayal by Daniel Craig, who just edged past Sean Connery in my estimation. Best Connery Bond was From Russia with Love.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Its a couple things, mainly its Tom Cruise, you can love the guy, you can hate the guy, i get it i really do, i understand why he rubs off badly on some people, and i also understand how some of that could be slight jealousy, doesnt matter, everyones allowed to feel how they want

BUT. when it comes to "movies" Cruise simply just gets it, he gets what makes a movie good, he gets what gets a movie talking, i personally think he's a very nice guy, more talented at acting than some people give him credit for (born on 4th of july, magnolia) and a huge huge action star who, again, does his OWN stunts, if nobody hasnt seen the scene where Tom is actually on the side of a plane as it takes off in MI5, its just, its such an amazing shot, the man was 54 years old when he did it

So a lot of it is Cruise, who, to me, cant seem to make a bad movie, he's good like that with his choices, and even more so, any movie he hops on, he gives creative insight and input to help make it better, and if you read articles on how production crews feel about him, it tells you a lot

But aside from the actor and person itself, Tom's made a lot of movies, and a lot of good movies sure, but what is HIS, most action stars have that franchise that just belongs to them and only them, Tom did Mission impossible 1 in 96 and im sure loved the experience and thinks its a great movie, but i bet even he would be surprised there's now 6 of these movies, and for the most part, all of them pretty damn ejoyable...except MI2, we dont talk about MI2 lol, but year 2000 was a different world, blended with good movies and bad movies a like, its a very very thankful thing Abrams of all people decided to do MI3 and keep it respectable, because 4 5 6 have been very very enjoyable movies

Dude, it might be jealousy for some, but in my case, I just have a hard time with actors of small stature being action heroes. I don't like giant meatheads either. Let's just say he's right there at the bottom of the action hero food chain. I'd be jealous if I had a problem with the other action heroes like Chris Pratt (and come on, it's not a good look thing either cuz Pratt is pretty dashing).

Also, I have to add, I really liked Cruise in Tropic Thunder. He rarely does comedies, but he got it right. Lest Grossman will be a memorable character for a long time.

He can be a bad actor as much as he can be a good one.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

A book series which would be great in american movie format, in the same vein as the MI, Bond and Bourne series, is the Bob Morane collection. Can't believe this hasn't been tried outside of France.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I remember reading Casino Royale as a young teen, and the torture segment in the chair was as personally horrifying as anything I ever contemplated prior to that.

I agree that that film was the best Bond ever, not merely for the return to gadgetless storytelling, but for the steely, conparatively pensive portrayal by Daniel Craig, who just edged past Sean Connery in my estimation. Best Connery Bond was From Russia with Love.

I have to ask, since you liked my post about Morane and knowing you're in Calgary, did you ever live in the province of Quebec, and did you know about Morane? And if so, from where? Just curious

 

[Redux91]

You may have watched this already but Seth McFarlane from Family Guy does a Kermit the Frog impression from that scene. Once you hear it, it cannot be unheard lol. I love Graham Norton's talk show, it's head and shoulders above any of the american talkshows.

Starts @5:10

LOL i try to show this to everyone i ever can it always makes me laugh lol

 

[sandviper]

Man, if they ever could do some sort of Bond - Hunt - Bourne crossover, I think all the evil villains in the world will take a collective dump.

Since we were on the topic of Bond, Casino Royale with Daniel Craig was easily my favourite Bond movie... and I grew up watching the Moore and Connery Bond.

 

[Redux91]

Dude, it might be jealousy for some, but in my case, I just have a hard time with actors of small stature being action heroes. I don't like giant meatheads either. Let's just say he's right there at the bottom of the action hero food chain. I'd be jealous if I had a problem with the other action heroes like Chris Pratt (and come on, it's not a good look thing either cuz Pratt is pretty dashing).

Also, I have to add, I really liked Cruise in Tropic Thunder. He rarely does comedies, but he got it right. Lest Grossman will be a memorable character for a long time.

He can be a bad actor as much as he can be a good one.

Thats totally fair, its well documented Tom Cruise needed to stand on a box in some scenes with Brad Pitt in interview with the vampire lol..

i dont hold it against him tho lol, and i guess, well im the same size as tom sooo lol

Also really really like Chris Pratt, glad his career took off