Let's Take a Look Back

[Cassano]

Since we're taking a look back at things...

Chris Johnston @reporterchris · 32m 32 minutes ago
The NHL reviewed all 93 playoff games last season and says three goals would have been overturned by video for goalie interference.

Chris Johnston @reporterchris · 20m 20 minutes ago
Two goals that NHL video would have disallowed were huge ones: Justin Williams vs SJ in Game 6 and Dwight King in Game 2 of Cup final.

Feels like a punch in the gut.

 

[Doctyl]

Since we're taking a look back at things...

Chris Johnston @reporterchris · 32m 32 minutes ago
The NHL reviewed all 93 playoff games last season and says three goals would have been overturned by video for goalie interference.

Chris Johnston @reporterchris · 20m 20 minutes ago
Two goals that NHL video would have disallowed were huge ones: Justin Williams vs SJ in Game 6 and Dwight King in Game 2 of Cup final.

Nah main boards said it was a good goal

 

[NickyFotiu]

Of course one can play Captain Hindsight for nearly every draft, and mostly it's really pointless. But in 2003 there were so many good picks. That's why it hurts much more than most.

What hurts me more than picks that turned out to be mistakes in hindsight is us losing a prospect that looked like a steal to a tragedy (Cherpy)

 

[Raspewtin]

Since we're taking a look back at things...

Chris Johnston @reporterchris · 32m 32 minutes ago
The NHL reviewed all 93 playoff games last season and says three goals would have been overturned by video for goalie interference.

Chris Johnston @reporterchris · 20m 20 minutes ago
Two goals that NHL video would have disallowed were huge ones: Justin Williams vs SJ in Game 6 and Dwight King in Game 2 of Cup final.

Dwight Kings goal will always be in my nightmares.

Absolutely atrocious call.

 

[KingWantsCup]

Not that far of a look back, but would you rather have our top 9 as is now or what it would be if we never made the Nash, Gaborik, St. Louis Trades.

Kreider Stepan Gaborik
Anisimov Dubinsky Callahan
Hagelin Hayes Zucc

McD Girardi
Staal Boyle
Delzotto Erixon

Not a very intimidating lineup, thinking those trades have worked out for our Benefit. Jury out on Callahan, but right now that one is looking not in our favor

No one should be surprised that Callahan is flourishing playing with Stamkos. With that said he has been his same on and off injured self with the Bolts. Anyone getting angry over his PPG production with the Bolts needs to realize he was never even capable of doing that here. Without Stamkos he's basically just Mr. Intangibles again. And we all know for almost $6M a year that **** doesn't fly.

The only thing to be angry about in that trade was the second 1st rounder given to Tampa Bay. Absolutely unnecessary. We were the only team Marty was willing to go to and his future with the Bolts was clearly done as tensions were too great to keep him at all. No idea how Sather ****ed that up.

Should have been 2014 1st + Callahan for MSL. Period. That second 1st makes this a much worse deal. If we won the cup last year we wouldn't be complaining about anything, but we didn't, so that second 1st really matters given that it was just gravy.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Should have been 2014 1st + Callahan for MSL. Period. That second 1st makes this a much worse deal. If we won the cup last year we wouldn't be complaining about anything, but we didn't, so that second 1st really matters given that it was just gravy.

I would like that deal better but its not as bad as what you have posted. They get our 2015 1st round pick. We get their 2015 2nd round pick. Also our 2015 pick was conditional on us advancing to the ECF last season.

 

[Machinehead]

People always speculate after the fact with trades, but at the end of the day, the roster we have now got us to the Finals.

Even with the flaws on this roster, I'd rather build on that than go back to a complete unknown.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

at the end of the day, the roster we have now got us to the Finals.

Not really. This roster may be similar. The team is vastly different.

 

[Steve Kournianos]

People always speculate after the fact with trades, but at the end of the day, the roster we have now got us to the Finals.

Even with the flaws on this roster, I'd rather build on that than go back to a complete unknown.

Only time willl tell if Boyle, Hayes, Stempniak, Duclair and Glass are suitable replacements for Stralman, Richards, Boyle, Pouliot and Dorsett.

The eye test says no. Of course, that could change.

 

[Steve Kournianos]

I didnt see them as a threat last year to be honest. They were a flawed team last year and they are a flawed team this year.. They went on a helluva run but alot of things broke there way... I.E. Not playing the bruins/Carey going out in game 1. This roster still needs work.

And the Pens are a yearly powerhouse and have nothing but a CF sweep to show for their last five postseasons.

 

[RempireStateBuilding]

For as much as people (myself included) want to complain about trading away 1sts, there's never any guarantee that whatever pick would translate to a player that would make the Rangers better. Just always feels like everyone expects every 1st rounder to be a career, retired-number Ranger. Sather always seems to have a (albeit tenuous) back-up plan which seems to be finding gem-in-the-rough undrafted guys. They nabbed Girardi and Zucc who have been pretty big contributors to the team. Talbot isn't going to light the hockey world on fire, but he more times than not looks like a great backup to have and especially on the cheap. While Hayes wasn't undrafted, the brass were able to sway him enough to want to sign here. Haggerty also looked pretty good although I haven't kept up with HFD this season.

For sure it's not unfounded to be a little sour at trading away the opportunity to get one of the first handful of picks in any draft, but I don't think the overall outcome across the last half-decade have been bad at all.

 

[Raspewtin]

And the Pens are a yearly powerhouse and have nothing but a CF sweep to show for their last five postseasons.

No, no great team except the Rangers has flaws.

 

[True Blue]

For as much as people (myself included) want to complain about trading away 1sts, there's never any guarantee that whatever pick would translate to a player that would make the Rangers better. Just always feels like everyone expects every 1st rounder to be a career, retired-number Ranger.

While not all first round picks are instant success, more often than not, a team has a better chance of picking a better player in the first round than latter. The Rangers seem to be the exception. Just because not all first round picks pan out, does not mean that they should be discarded.

Sather always seems to have a (albeit tenuous) back-up plan which seems to be finding gem-in-the-rough undrafted guys. They nabbed Girardi and Zucc who have been pretty big contributors to the team.

Still not a reason to throw away first rounders.

 

[True Blue]

Not really. This roster may be similar. The team is vastly different.

Agreed. The roster is still flawed.

As for the trades, my opinion of at least two of them is well known.

 

[Ail]

While not all first round picks are instant success, more often than not, a team has a better chance of picking a better player in the first round than latter. The Rangers seem to be the exception. Just because not all first round picks pan out, does not mean that they should be discarded.

Still not a reason to throw away first rounders.

The idea that they are being "thrown away" is pretty subjective.

 

[Raspewtin]

While not all first round picks are instant success, more often than not, a team has a better chance of picking a better player in the first round than latter. The Rangers seem to be the exception. Just because not all first round picks pan out, does not mean that they should be discarded.

Still not a reason to throw away first rounders.

Trading for MSL is not throwing away first rounders.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

A 1st round pick between 20 and 30 (Where the Rangers are picking lately) takes years to develop. Sending them away for a guy like Nash or St. Louis is not a waste. We are in a win-now mode, with our best players in their 30s. We have no time to let a guy develop for 4 years.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

A 1st round pick between 20 and 30 (Where the Rangers are picking lately) takes years to develop. Sending them away for a guy like Nash or St. Louis is not a waste. We are in a win-now mode, with our best players in their 30s. We have no time to let a guy develop for 4 years.

Thanks a lot man!

 

[Raspewtin]

A 1st round pick between 20 and 30 (Where the Rangers are picking lately) takes years to develop. Sending them away for a guy like Nash or St. Louis is not a waste. We are in a win-now mode, with our best players in their 30s. We have no time to let a guy develop for 4 years.

Yes we do?

I mean, it could be a good idea to trade a 1st for a better player in this case. But to say the Rangers won't have patience because they're a win-now team is just wrong.

 

[Machinehead]

Not really. This roster may be similar. The team is vastly different.

Only time willl tell if Boyle, Hayes, Stempniak, Duclair and Glass are suitable replacements for Stralman, Richards, Boyle, Pouliot and Dorsett.

The eye test says no. Of course, that could change.

It's different yes, but it's a hell of a lot closer than the roster in OP.

 

[Steve Kournianos]

Would you have traded what became the 10th overall in 2010 and 15th overall for MSL at the deadline in 2010?

Big fat yes.

The picks traded for MSL were 28th overall and likely in the 20s in 2015.

1st rounders are kinda overrated for this franchise.

The screwed up two firsts in 2004 but hit home runs with Dubinsky and Callahan.

Staal and Sauer were home runs in 2005.

They screwed up the 2006 1st but hit a home run with Anisimov

They were hit hard by 2007 but hit a home run with Hagelin and a game-winning grand slam with McDonagh.

The sorta screwed up 2008 but hit a grand slam with Stepan.

Kreider was a home run in 2009.

They struck out in 2010 but hit a home run with the Hayes signing.

The jury is still out on 2011-2014.

So, the Rangers at no cost wound up with at least one top-9 forward or top-4 dman in every draft from 2004-2010

Two CF in three years. Something must be working.

Where you're picking seems to be arbitrary, especially if you're 15-30 every first round.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I wish we could have traded gaborik for Nash and let that be the end of it but we would have had to added. The question is how much.

Reality is dubinsky needed the trade to slap him in the face. He would still be the same inconsistent guy. I really like what brassard does for us. Not a huge fan of anisimov.... These aren't moves you can evaluate in a vacuum.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I wish we could have traded gaborik for Nash and let that be the end of it but we would have had to added. The question is how much.

The larger issue is why would the Blue Jackets have traded Nash for Gaborik. He wasn't what they wanted or needed.

 

[Doctyl]

I wish we could have traded gaborik for Nash and let that be the end of it but we would have had to added. The question is how much.

Reality is dubinsky needed the trade to slap him in the face. He would still be the same inconsistent guy. I really like what brassard does for us. Not a huge fan of anisimov.... These aren't moves you can evaluate in a vacuum.

You could argue Dubi needed the slap in the face just as much as you can argue that Brassard needed the change of scenery. Without Brassard I doubt we win the Caps series in 2013 or the Penguins series in 2014. The guy is money in the playoffs and he has looked good so far this season. Brass fits the AV style a lot better than I think Dubi would have.

 

[Doctyl]

Nash>Gaborik (fluke playoffs for both aside)
Brassard=Dubi (two very different players but both good at what they do. One is a pest the other is an offensive specialist)
Moore>Erixon (mediocre dmen)
Anisimov + Rychel >>> Dorsett/Iverson (the only part where you can really argue we heavily lost these trades)