Confirmed with Link: Leafs trade Carter Asthon David Broll to Tampa for Pick

[The Winter Soldier]

Kyper mentioned it on Hockey Central the other day.

Perhaps an eye for an eye and when\if in the future TB needs to dump a contract to make room then he will ask for his conditional 7th rounder back in exchange. It was actually a future consideration type transaction.

This was a favour to Toronto so that they can make a multi-player trade where they take back more contracts then go out.

Well, I am not going to make a big deal out of it. I am sure Yzerman did it for the good of TB also. If it is a favour, then he can repay Nonis when he lands with Calgary one day, after he is fired.

 

[Mess]

Well, I am not going to make a big deal out of it. I am sure Yzerman did it for the good of TB also. If it is a favour, then he can repay Nonis when he lands with Calgary one day, after he is fired.

Why is it Nonis related as opposed to Toronto related and Stevie Y doing fellow former Wings teammate Shanahan (who is now running the Leafs)?

Shanny to Stevie Y, "can you do me a solid as I'm trying to clean up this mess and have no free contracts to make moves".

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Why is it Nonis related as opposed to Toronto related and Stevie Y doing fellow former Wings teammate Shanahan (who is now running the Leafs)?

Nonis has had a long history of trading with Yzerman. I would think this is the part of networking with GM's around the league that Shanahan and Dubas lack. Again experience does count. Burke had a wide network of league contacts in place when he got here. He and Murray were best trading pals. He had certain trade partners he could go to. I always thought he had Murray helped each other out. It's not against the rules, but when you are close with other GM's, you take advantage of it.

 

[TheKingSlayer]

Why would the Leafs not dump off someone like Orr or McClaren?

Could we see them making it back to the show once we clear out some bodies in the NHL?

 

[Mess]

If Steve Yzerman really wanted Ashton he could have claimed him for free when Leafs put him on waivers earlier.

He doesn't need to trade a pick even if its conditional for something that was free for the taking.

Not just TB but nobody wanted Carter Ashton last month when he cleared NHL waivers.

 

[A1LeafNation]

The price for Broll was to take Ashton. The 7th rounder is gravy if it pans out.

 

[PlietscherDassel]

The Bolts AHL team probably didn't have injury problems a month ago that made it necessary to trade for players.
As others already mentioned it is a deal between one organization that desperately needed players for their AHL team and another organization that wanted to get rid of some contracts.

 

[Mess]

Ondrej Palat

Drafted by Tampa Bay Lightning- round 7 #208 overall 2011 NHL Entry Draft

2014-15 Tampa Bay Lightning - NHL .. 51 games 11 goals 28 assists 39 points.

NHL Totals - 146 games 36 goals 66 assists 102 points

Stevie Y is not tossing away 7th rounders foolishly for players he could have had for free on waivers. He is making picks that seem to be having major impact.

 

[Antropovsky]

Stevie Y is not tossing away 7th rounders foolishly for players he could have had for free on waivers. He is making picks that seem to be having major impact.

What are you saying? I don't mean this sarcastically either, I don't get your reference to palat and yzerman trading the 7th for broll and Ashton

 

[Mess]

What are you saying? I don't mean this sarcastically either, I don't get your reference to palat and yzerman trading the 7th for broll and Ashton

TB scouting is finding talents like Palat scoring at a .70 PPG NHL pace in the 7th round then Stevie Y is not going to naively be dealing them for AHLers like Aston and Broll is my point.

 

[AustonMitchWilly]

Can we please change the title to "Leafs trade Broll and Ashton to TB for probably nothing"

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Can we please change the title to "Leafs trade Broll and Ashton to TB for probably nothing"

It would make rating this deal easier.

Who wins deal, Ashton and Broll or nothing?

I would put my money not on nothing.

 

[Mess]

It would make rating this deal easier.

Who wins deal, Ashton and Broll or nothing?

I would put my money not on nothing.

In a vacuum perhaps.

But if you make this move as a precursor so you can make a 2-1 trade that improves the team, changes the core and has a major impact on Leafs future then getting nothing for Ashton and Broll can be consider brilliant.

What happens next will impact a trade made to clear contracts. If Leafs didn't need more contract space for something bigger then why make this move?

 

[Drew75]

It would make rating this deal easier.

Who wins deal, Ashton and Broll or nothing?

I would put my money not on nothing.

But ... it's not nothing. In the NHL, cap space, contract positions, etc all have value. It's naïve to think this deal was for nothing.

Remember, it's not even just the TD, but team can not make any moves until the draft. Being at 50 contracts restricts your negotiations, for as soon as someone starts mentioning "I'll give A & C for D", you have to say "hold that thought ... I'm at 50 contracts!"

 

[egd27]

If TB didn't make this deal, and the Leafs had to clear out a couple of contracts because they were at the 50 limit, what are the "rules" about buying out non-NHL (ie non cap related) contracts?

Anyone have a link?

 

[The Winter Soldier]

But ... it's not nothing. In the NHL, cap space, contract positions, etc all have value. It's naïve to think this deal was for nothing.

Remember, it's not even just the TD, but team can not make any moves until the draft. Being at 50 contracts restricts your negotiations, for as soon as someone starts mentioning "I'll give A & C for D", you have to say "hold that thought ... I'm at 50 contracts!"

You can try to paint it anyway you want. 2 players for nothing, is still nothing. Leafs have 2 empty roster spots now. If they do not fill them by Mar 2, it is a terrible deal to give away a 21 and 23 year old players for nothing.

 

[Guy Boucher]

I'm surprised TB took on the extra salary, to be honest. I know it won't affect their cap, but it affects the budget.

 

[Northern Dancer]

I'm surprised TB took on the extra salary, to be honest. I know it won't affect their cap, but it affects the budget.

They do have a depleted roster in the AHL. They needed players.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

They do have a depleted roster in the AHL. They needed players.

I know you do not want to go on about this, but why a team as bad as ours should care about helping a much better team like TB anyway?

Nonis should be worrying about the Leafs first, who cares about Yzerman or TB.

 

[Canada4Gold]

If Steve Yzerman really wanted Ashton he could have claimed him for free when Leafs put him on waivers earlier.

He doesn't need to trade a pick even if its conditional for something that was free for the taking.

Not just TB but nobody wanted Carter Ashton last month when he cleared NHL waivers.

Because he wanted him for his banged up AHL team, and by claiming him he would have had to put him on waivers again to send him down. Which he may have cleared then if Toronto didn't want him for the Marlies at the time, but teams don't tend to claim players for their AHL team.

 

[OneManArmy]

That 7th pick will be the next Zetterberg, I know it!

 

[Canada4Gold]

That 7th pick will be the next Zetterberg, I know it!

lucky for Tampa then since they'll be keeping it.

 

[Northern Dancer]

i know you do not want to go on about this, but why a team as bad as ours should care about helping a much better team like tb anyway?

Nonis should be worrying about the leafs first, who cares about yzerman or tb.

wow, you still don't get it do you?