Confirmed with Link: Leafs re-sign Hyman to a 4 year @ $9 mil ($2.25 AAV) contract.

[ACC1224]

That is because Lou bought UFA years in the last 2 years.

As a UFA a player has choices where to sign, so a modified/limited NTC provides a player with a little say in a trade.

A GM must either pay extra to buy away UFA years or offer something else like a NTC to entice a player to sign them away.

This is a very common practice.

PS. Besides Zach is a valuable member of the Leafs and they don't intend to trade him away so a NTC is irrelevant to players you keep.

yep, likely brought the cap down and bought a few years. Good trade off for a NTC that in almost all cases isn't an issue.

 

[Mess]

That's not how team salary structures function, at all. Player salaries arent determined by dividing the cap by 23 but in comparison to what tier of player they are - which is in turn based on other player comparisons. Hyman was RFA with a single 28 point NHL season under his belt.

If you think the Leafs got a good deal here then we must simply have vastly different understandings of what "team friendly" means.

For every expensive contract you need an offsetting cheaper contract(s). Its really that simple for cap management.

Matthews, Marner and Nylander are in tier #1 in talent but make $925k and 2 X $895k right now. The reason Leafs could afford Marleau at $6.25 mil is because the kids ELC offset it so that combined Marleau & Matthews = ~ AVV/player. Nothing to do with tiers at all but offsetting contracts to allow it happen via cap space balancing.

Average player cost when filling out a roster is used to know how much you can spend and common practice. If you need to sign 5 players (open roster spots) and have only $5 mil in free cap space then you can only to afford to pay on average $1 mil per player. You can't pay 1 player $5 mil and then play 4 members under the limit.

When Matthews gets his new deal at ~ $10 mil Leafs will need to also dress 3 players on cheap/ELC contracts making $925k or less to offset it for cap purposes.

With a team AAV $3.25 mil/player X 4 players = $13 mil verses Matthews $10 mil + 3 X $925K ELC = $12.8 mil cap (per 4 players of 23 roster). Cap Management 101 !!!

Hyman is below the average AAV by $1 mil now and as Cap goes up will be increased cap friendly as Team AAV/player increases.

 

[PuckMagi]

Here is the Math to show work: $75 mil cap ceiling / 23 man roster limit = $3.26 mil average per player.

In years 3 and 4 of his contract is where we will run into problems (even if we trade Marleau in year 3).

Matthews, Marner, and Nylander will all be making WAY above the $3.26 average. Rielly, Zaitsev, and Kadri all make over the average. Andersen makes over the average. Gardiner will be making quite a bit over the average when/if we re-sign him.

If we want to keep Kapanen and Brown, they will probably come in around the average or maybe a bit under.

So if we want to keep all these players, we need a lot of players who make quite a bit under the average to balance things out. And paying guys like Hyman $2.25 and Martin $2.5 is where we run into trouble. We need our bottom 6 wingers to be as cheap as possible. There are only 4 bottom six winger spots, and we've tied up $4.75 million in just two players who can't really score.

______ - Matthews (10) - Marner (7)
______ - Nylander (7) - Brown (3)
______ - Kadri (4.5) - Kapanen (3)
Martin (2.5) - ______ - Hyman (2.25)

Rielly (5) - Zaitsev (4.5)
Gardiner (6) - ______
_______ - ______

Andersen (5)
_______

Kessel (1.2)

This is 12 players in total: $60.95 (this is assuming we trade Marleau)

With a $75 million cap, that leaves only $14.05 remaining. We still need 4 more forwards, 3 more defenders, a backup, and bench players.

Guys like Hyman need to be cheaper. We need those bottom 6 winger spots earning around $1 million if we want any hope in hell of keeping our core group together.

 

[ShaneFalco]

whats the big deal.. 2M is completely perfect for hyman he's not getting traded within 4 years so who cares about a NTC anyways. Its also a limited NTC probably to get him to sign cheaper since they arent trading him anyways. Seems very smart to me

It gives others bargaining power
There's no way Hyman should get a NTC after a year here.

 

[SEER]

GOOD STUFF..! Love his work ethic..!

My 4th highlight-montage for.. Zach Hyman..., who presently plays Wing position with the 2016-17 Toronto Maple Leafs...
Zach was one of six of the Leafs 2016-17 Rookies, in the NHL's Top 21...

He's a two-way (offender-defender).., who comes from Toronto..
and is ready to play.., in every game..

Zach Hyman
Forward -- shoots R
Born Jun 9 1992 -- Toronto, ONT
24 yrs. ago
Height 6.01 -- Weight 210

RECENT STATS:

2015-16 Toronto Marlies - AHL
59 Games... 15 Goals... 22 Assists... 37 Points... +31
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2016 AHL PLAYOFFS
15 Games... 3 Goals... 3 Assists... 6 Points... +3
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2015-16 Toronto Maple Leafs - NHL
16 Games... 4 Goals... 2 Assists... 6 Points... +/- 0
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*2016-17 Toronto Maple Leafs - NHL
82 Games... 10 Goals... 18 Assists... 28 Points... +2
*3 G.W.G.'s... *4 S-H Goals...
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*2017 NHL PLAYOFFS
6 Games... 1 Goal... 3 Assists... 4 Points... +/- 0

Clips include: All 10 of Zach's 2016-17 regular season goals...; one goal from the 2017 NHL Playoffs.., against Washington...
...and a few other other 2016-17 season clips & photos...

Whole Lotta Hyman: *All Zach Hyman 2016-17 Reg.-Season Goals (+ 1 2017 P-O Goal) - TML - (HD)

​

 

[bobermay]

In years 3 and 4 of his contract is where we will run into problems (even if we trade Marleau in year 3).

Matthews, Marner, and Nylander will all be making WAY above the $3.26 average. Rielly, Zaitsev, and Kadri all make over the average. Andersen makes over the average. Gardiner will be making quite a bit over the average when/if we re-sign him.

If we want to keep Kapanen and Brown, they will probably come in around the average or maybe a bit under.

So if we want to keep all these players, we need a lot of players who make quite a bit under the average to balance things out. And paying guys like Hyman $2.25 and Martin $2.5 is where we run into trouble. We need our bottom 6 wingers to be as cheap as possible. There are only 4 bottom six winger spots, and we've tied up $4.75 million in just two players who can't really score.

______ - Matthews (10) - Marner (7)
______ - Nylander (7) - Brown (3)
______ - Kadri (4.5) - Kapanen (3)
Martin (2.5) - ______ - Hyman (2.25)

Rielly (5) - Zaitsev (4.5)
Gardiner (6) - ______
_______ - ______

Andersen (5)
_______

Kessel (1.2)

This is 12 players in total: $60.95 (this is assuming we trade Marleau)

With a $75 million cap, that leaves only $14.05 remaining. We still need 4 more forwards, 3 more defenders, a backup, and bench players.

Guys like Hyman need to be cheaper. We need those bottom 6 winger spots earning around $1 million if we want any hope in hell of keeping our core group together.

Were you this upset at Komarov's contract?

 

[Mess]

In years 3 and 4 of his contract is where we will run into problems (even if we trade Marleau in year 3).

Matthews, Marner, and Nylander will all be making WAY above the $3.26 average. Rielly, Zaitsev, and Kadri all make over the average. Andersen makes over the average. Gardiner will be making quite a bit over the average when/if we re-sign him.

If we want to keep Kapanen and Brown, they will probably come in around the average or maybe a bit under.

So if we want to keep all these players, we need a lot of players who make quite a bit under the average to balance things out. And paying guys like Hyman $2.25 and Martin $2.5 is where we run into trouble. We need our bottom 6 wingers to be as cheap as possible. There are only 4 bottom six winger spots, and we've tied up $4.75 million in just two players who can't really score.

______ - Matthews (10) - Marner (7)
______ - Nylander (7) - Brown (3)
______ - Kadri (4.5) - Kapanen (3)
Martin (2.5) - ______ - Hyman (2.25)

Rielly (5) - Zaitsev (4.5)
Gardiner (6) - ______
_______ - ______

Andersen (5)
_______

Kessel (1.2)

This is 12 players in total: $60.95 (this is assuming we trade Marleau)

With a $75 million cap, that leaves only $14.05 remaining. We still need 4 more forwards, 3 more defenders, a backup, and bench players.

Guys like Hyman need to be cheaper. We need those bottom 6 winger spots earning around $1 million if we want any hope in hell of keeping our core group together.

That is only the case if the cap remains flat as $75 mil is today's cap and on average the NHLPA uses the inflator to increase the Cap by about $2.5 mil per.

So Cap by year.
2017-18 = $75 mil
2018-19 = $77.5 mil
2019-20 = $80 mil
2020-21 = $82.5 mil

You're math is based on today but worst case in 3-4 years of Hyman deal the Cap will rise by $5-7.5 mil.

Average player cost this year = $3.26 mil/player, based on numbers of rising cap its also rising and Leafs will have potentially 5-7.5 extra addition cap to spend and your $14 mil today becomes > $20 mil in 20-21.

See my above post but the minute Matthews $10 mil kicks in its guaranteed Leafs will need to incorporate 3 X players also on the roster making ~1 mil or less to offset it verses average player cost. No way around that otherwise you can't have 23 players.

 

[Walshy7]

Were you this upset at Komarov's contract?

you have mentioned komarov about 1000 times now. He was signed by nonis who was a pathetic GM (though I think shanny may have been on board, but was sitting back evaluating). He had leverage also, the leafs went chasing him where was hyman going?

 

[Erndog]

In years 3 and 4 of his contract is where we will run into problems (even if we trade Marleau in year 3).

Matthews, Marner, and Nylander will all be making WAY above the $3.26 average. Rielly, Zaitsev, and Kadri all make over the average. Andersen makes over the average. Gardiner will be making quite a bit over the average when/if we re-sign him.

If we want to keep Kapanen and Brown, they will probably come in around the average or maybe a bit under.

So if we want to keep all these players, we need a lot of players who make quite a bit under the average to balance things out. And paying guys like Hyman $2.25 and Martin $2.5 is where we run into trouble. We need our bottom 6 wingers to be as cheap as possible. There are only 4 bottom six winger spots, and we've tied up $4.75 million in just two players who can't really score.

______ - Matthews (10) - Marner (7)
______ - Nylander (7) - Brown (3)
______ - Kadri (4.5) - Kapanen (3)
Martin (2.5) - ______ - Hyman (2.25)

Rielly (5) - Zaitsev (4.5)
Gardiner (6) - ______
_______ - ______

Andersen (5)
_______

Kessel (1.2)

This is 12 players in total: $60.95 (this is assuming we trade Marleau)

With a $75 million cap, that leaves only $14.05 remaining. We still need 4 more forwards, 3 more defenders, a backup, and bench players.

Guys like Hyman need to be cheaper. We need those bottom 6 winger spots earning around $1 million if we want any hope in hell of keeping our core group together.

You aren't projecting any cap increase in the time many of those contracts take effect? Which is still 2-3 yrs away in most cases.

 

[Menzinger]

For every expensive contract you need an offsetting cheaper contract(s). Its really that simple for cap management.

Matthews, Marner and Nylander are in tier #1 in talent but make $925k and 2 X $895k right now. The reason Leafs could afford Marleau at $6.25 mil is because the kids ELC offset it so that combined Marleau & Matthews = ~ AVV/player. Nothing to do with tiers at all but offsetting contracts to allow it happen via cap space balancing.

Average player cost when filling out a roster is used to know how much you can spend and common practice. If you need to sign 5 players (open roster spots) and have only $5 mil in free cap space then you can only to afford to pay on average $1 mil per player. You can't pay 1 player $5 mil and then play 4 members under the limit.

When Matthews gets his new deal at ~ $10 mil Leafs will need to also dress 3 players on cheap/ELC contracts making $925k or less to offset it for cap purposes.

With a team AAV $3.25 mil/player X 4 players = $13 mil verses Matthews $10 mil + 3 X $925K ELC = $12.8 mil cap (per 4 players of 23 roster). Cap Management 101 !!!

Hyman is below the average AAV by $1 mil now and as Cap goes up will be increased cap friendly as Team AAV/player increases.

I don't challenge the notion that the Leafs need to save salary for their star players - quite the opposite in fact.

You're faulty logic is that Hyman is underpaid because he makes less than the cap divided by 23 - and that's not how player salaries are valued/evaluated.

Hyman should be compared to players similar abilities, track records and stats to determine what his salary should be. And based on those the Leafs certainly gave the player a highly favourable contract. The Leafs didn't save any money with the Hyman deal, no matter how you'd like to spin it

And if you want to talk about saving money - Hyman is now locked into a Roster spot for four yeas at 2+ million. What happens if a cheaper winger replacement emerges from the leafs prospect system?

 

[bobermay]

you have mentioned komarov about 1000 times now. He was signed by nonis who was a pathetic GM (though I think shanny may have been on board, but was sitting back evaluating). He had leverage also, the leafs went chasing him where was hyman going?

1000 times, really?

Hyman had less leverage, sure... but Hyman did have SOME leverage. He knew the Leafs wanted to sign him with term, and if they didn't offer something he'd like, they could have seen an arbitrator...

I just don't know how someone can say THIS contract is bad when it really isn't. I've been using Komarov as a comparison, because I think its relevant. The Komarov signing had higher risk.

 

[bobermay]

I don't challenge the notion that the Leafs need to save salary for their star players - quite the opposite in fact.

You're faulty logic is that Hyman is underpaid because he makes less than the cap divided by 23 - and that's not how player salaries are valued/evaluated.

Hyman should be compared to players similar abilities, track records and stats to determine what his salary should be. And based on those the Leafs certainly gave the player a highly favourable contract. The Leafs didn't save any money with the Hyman deal, no matter how you'd like to spin it

And if you want to talk about saving money - Hyman is now locked into a Roster spot for four yeas at 2+ million. What happens if a cheaper winger replacement emerges from the leafs prospect system?

Then you either trade the cheaper replacement, or you trade Hyman. Not that complicated.

 

[Trapper]

I don't challenge the notion that the Leafs need to save salary for their star players - quite the opposite in fact.

You're faulty logic is that Hyman is underpaid because he makes less than the cap divided by 23 - and that's not how player salaries are valued/evaluated.

Hyman should be compared to players similar abilities, track records and stats to determine what his salary should be. And based on those the Leafs certainly gave the player a highly favourable contract. The Leafs didn't save any money with the Hyman deal, no matter how you'd like to spin it

And if you want to talk about saving money - Hyman is now locked into a Roster spot for four yeas at 2+ million. What happens if a cheaper winger replacement emerges from the leafs prospect system?

It depends how you feel on the situation.
1. Can Hyman be moved with that contract?
2. Can Hyman be sent to the minors?
3. If he is sent to the minors, do you think he clears waivers?

I believe he is easily moved and I don't have a problem with contracts that allow that. It's very difficult to move someone with 7/8 years, making big dollars with a partial or full NTC.

 

[Menzinger]

Then you either trade the cheaper replacement, or you trade Hyman. Not that complicated.

Slightly harder to do with a limited NTC.

Funny thing is, I don't have that much issue with his caphit. Its a bit higher than expected it to be, I had hoped it would be closer to 1.5 million, the real issue why I'm irked is the combination Of him getting higher cap hit plus term plus the NTC even though he was in a weak negotiating position, was an RFA, and is still an somewhat of an unproven asset in the NHL.

I don't like management giving out these types of deals to support pieces. Especially since it's hard to see what concession they got from the player other than a commitment to play for the team for four years

 

[ShaneFalco]

Brown is going to cash in off of this and he'll get a NTC too

 

[Walshy7]

Brown is going to cash in off of this and he'll get a NTC too

yeah hard not to see every RFA getting a NTC now. 3 or so years most of our team will have one

 

[Erndog]

Wow, I can not believe this ****! Does everybody get a NTC of some sort nowadays? What the hell?

Yes.

Quite literally, EVERY player's UFA years have limited NTC's in them nowadays.

Nate freaken Thompson just got a 10 team limited NTC.

Every.

Contract.

Has.

Some.

Form.

Of.

NTC.

For.

UFA.

Years.

Period.

 

[Walshy7]

Yes.

Quite literally, EVERY player's UFA years have limited NTC's in them nowadays.

Nate freaken Thompson just got a 10 team limited NTC.

Every.

Contract.

Has.

Some.

Form.

Of.

NTC.

For.

UFA.

Years.

Period.

5 seconds of searching domonic moore doesn't have one

 

[Erndog]

5 seconds of searching domonic moore doesn't have one

Except those guys hanging onto their careers by a thread

Maybe I should say "Every UFA year from 26 to 35"

 

[Walshy7]

Except those guys hanging onto their careers by a thread

Maybe I should say "Every UFA year from 26 to 35"

ok Mark pysyk signed 3 years at 25 no NTC

 

[Erndog]

ok Mark pysyk signed 3 years at 25 no NTC

Yeah, I had noticed that one. Oddity.

Edit: Also, sometimes those details don't emerge right away.

 

[Mess]

In years 3 and 4 of his contract is where we will run into problems (even if we trade Marleau in year

______ - Matthews (10) - Marner (7)
______ - Nylander (7) - Brown (3)
______ - Kadri (4.5) - Kapanen (3)
Martin (2.5) - ______ - Hyman (2.25)

Rielly (5) - Zaitsev (4.5)
Gardiner (6) - ______
_______ - ______

Andersen (5)
_______

Kessel (1.2)

This is 12 players in total: $60.95 (this is assuming we trade Marleau)

With a $75 million cap, that leaves only $14.05 remaining. We still need 4 more forwards, 3 more defenders, a backup, and bench players.

Guys like Hyman need to be cheaper. We need those bottom 6 winger spots earning around $1 million if we want any hope in hell of keeping our core group together.

Here is why Hyman's contract is not a problem and in fact in line with your roster projection in 3 years above.

Only add $2.5 mil cap increase each year so 3 years X $2.5 mil = $7.5 added to your $75 mil (or $14.05 mil free space) = $21 mil free cap.

We still need 4 more forwards, 3 more defenders, a backup, and bench players.

So 10 opening roster spots to fill ($21 mil free space /10 players) = $2.1 mil AAV per player.. So fill in all your ______ opening with a player that makes on average $2.1 mil.

Hyman makes $2.25 mil so that is right in line with the $$ AAV player you would be looking for to fill out the roster with, when the 3 Amigos big contracts kick in. No problem as you could add +4 more Hyman contracts at forward and 1 spare in the pressbox.

 

[Sonny21]

I actually defended this contract and still think it's fair overall. It's ridiculous when management starts handing out NTC like candy on Halloween to any depth players.

Also for a player with 1 full year under his belt. Anyways.

 

[Kiwi]

In years 3 and 4 of his contract is where we will run into problems (even if we trade Marleau in year 3).

Matthews, Marner, and Nylander will all be making WAY above the $3.26 average. Rielly, Zaitsev, and Kadri all make over the average. Andersen makes over the average. Gardiner will be making quite a bit over the average when/if we re-sign him.

If we want to keep Kapanen and Brown, they will probably come in around the average or maybe a bit under.

So if we want to keep all these players, we need a lot of players who make quite a bit under the average to balance things out. And paying guys like Hyman $2.25 and Martin $2.5 is where we run into trouble. We need our bottom 6 wingers to be as cheap as possible. There are only 4 bottom six winger spots, and we've tied up $4.75 million in just two players who can't really score.

______ - Matthews (10) - Marner (7)
______ - Nylander (7) - Brown (3)
______ - Kadri (4.5) - Kapanen (3)
Martin (2.5) - ______ - Hyman (2.25)

Rielly (5) - Zaitsev (4.5)
Gardiner (6) - ______
_______ - ______

Andersen (5)
_______

Kessel (1.2)

This is 12 players in total: $60.95 (this is assuming we trade Marleau)

With a $75 million cap, that leaves only $14.05 remaining. We still need 4 more forwards, 3 more defenders, a backup, and bench players.

Guys like Hyman need to be cheaper. We need those bottom 6 winger spots earning around $1 million if we want any hope in hell of keeping our core group together.

Hyman won't be on the 4th line

Babcock loves the guy so he's either on the 3rd line as a matchup guy or a scoring line as a complimentary piece (like he is now)

They won't have a 6-7M 4th line

 

[nuck]

Slightly harder to do with a limited NTC.

Funny thing is, I don't have that much issue with his caphit. Its a bit higher than expected it to be, I had hoped it would be closer to 1.5 million, the real issue why I'm irked is the combination Of him getting higher cap hit plus term plus the NTC even though he was in a weak negotiating position, was an RFA, and is still an somewhat of an unproven asset in the NHL.

I don't like management giving out these types of deals to support pieces. Especially since it's hard to see what concession they got from the player other than a commitment to play for the team for four years

Yeah they kind of dropped their pants for him. I think they believe he couldn't get any worse offensively and his defense is effort driven so that isn't going anywhere. Worst case scenario they have a guy that works his tail off every night and scores 28 points but they are probably anticipating a bit more than that.