Friedman: Leafs may keep money on a Matt Martin Trade

[Sniper99]

What happens when Dotchin knees Matthews?

Nothing

 

[al secord]

This is the problem with having a segment called 31 Thoughts. What happens if you only have 22 thoughts by deadline?

 

[Leafs87]

I actually really liked Martin and see him as an increasing need going into the playoffs

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Personally I'd prefer Martin in the lineup over Komarov.

Ideally I'd prefer Johnsson over both, but baby steps.

 

[DownGoesMcDavid]

Martin isn't on the ice, when Matthews plays. It's kind of irrelevant.

Thats not how hockey works.

You dont have to be on the ice when an incident happens.

Martin being on the bench and in the lineup will keep oppenents honest for 2 reason.

1. They will have to answer the bell as you know Martin will get deployed out there eventually.

2. If someone takes a run at Mathews, they have to fear the retaliation that a guy like Martin will take a run at Kucherov/Stamkos.

Thats what enforcers do. Keep opponents honest

 

[rent free]

they should keep him. he provides toughness which is never a bad thing. and he's relatively cheap at 2.5 million. the cap will only hurt us in the 2019-2020 when the big 3 have contracts.

 

[Liferleafer]

At hitting and standing up for teammates?

Show me an instance that stands out in which Martin did that this season. There have been countless GDTs on the Leafs board in which an incident happened, many of us said "Martin better straighten that guy out", and nothing ever happened. I mean, the guy has a whopping 45 penalty minutes this season, not like he's been dropping the mitts a bunch. So if his only talent is "toughness"....but he isn't playing "tough"....then what's the sense of giving him a spot over Kapanen?

 

[Dr Quincy]

What happens when Dotchin knees Matthews?

Keeping money is a mistake. We still holding 1.2 on Kessel.

The same thing that would happen if Martin was on the team: Matthews would be hurt. Having Martin isn't like Mr. Miyagi curing Danielsan's bad knee by clapping and rubbing his hands together.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Thats not how hockey works.

You dont have to be on the ice when an incident happens.

Martin being on the bench and in the lineup will keep oppenents honest for 2 reason.

1. They will have to answer the bell as you know Martin will get deployed out there eventually.

2. If someone takes a run at Mathews, they have to fear the retaliation that a guy like Martin will take a run at Kucherov/Stamkos.

Thats what enforcers do. Keep opponents honest

Kadri has injured more guys than Martin, he's a bigger deterrent. Same with Komarov. Nobody is that afraid of having to "fight" Martin when they know they can just bear hug and turtle until the refs break it up.

And even then we're lucky if Martin doesn't take a penalty in the process.

Nobody is afraid of Martin. They're afraid of guys like Chara who are out there half the game laying the body and then scoring on you.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Martin isn't on the ice, when Matthews plays. It's kind of irrelevant.

This.
Sure, I love when he's out there banging on the forecheck, but who is he protecting? Andersen, maybe but otherwise, it's just the other two guys on the 4th line.

 

[BlueBaron]

Retaining a mil on him adds up to about the same as sending him to the minors doesn't? I guess as a sign of respect they might want to avoid that but I don't think it would hurt to keep him for now and explore options in the summer.

 

[Raging Bull]

I think when they signed him they didn't expect to be as good as they've been right away. Martins a useful player but not one a playoff team will dress every game.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

This was brought up in the trade thread for Martin. Said it then. This is no surprise at all if the Leafs want to trade Martin. Retention or a draft pick/prospect going the other way if the team is to retain is likely. No good GM is going to take on 2.5 x 2 years for a 4th line player of Martin's ability playing 7 mins a game. Infact hockey has evolved to where the 4th line is more than a 4th line grinder/fighter role. I am not even sure if many teams would be interested in taking him on outright. Lou might have to live with the remainder of this contract.

 

[SCMURRAY]

Back to the isles for a 3rd next year at $800k retained

 

[Siludin]

Martin should be someone the Canucks are targeting with Dorsett gone, especially if he comes in with retention.

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

Back to the isles for a 3rd next year at $800k retained

id do it as a leafs fan.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Bring him home

If I were Snow, I would pass. He's got skilled good young fwds coming up, they will need roster spots, and they will have faster players to play in the line up. Its a speed game now. Even 4th lines need to skate and have some skill these days. They let him go once, it was the right thing when they did not pay him. Don't make a similar mistake as the Leafs did when they gave him 2.5M x 4 years. Just let this one go.

 

[BeLeafing]

I'm not a huge Martin the player fan, I think we have a lot of other options. But what worries me is dealing a guy who is clearly close with a lot of the guys in our locker room.

Even if it's throwing him in there a few times this year and maybe in the playoffs vs Boston, then dealing him in the offseason. I think that would have less of an impact on our room.

 

[TOGuy14]

They lack any kind of toughness as it is. Why trade him.

Because we are a much better team with our young skills players in the lineup than we are with "tough" guys like Martin and Polak?

 

[SI90]

I’d take him back on the isles in a heartbeat but it depends on how much the leafs would be willing to retain.

 

[shortfuze]

Because we are a much better team with our young skills players in the lineup than we are with "tough" guys like Martin and Polak?

Right now they are. Not when the playoffs start and the other team starts to grind down the young guys.

 

[Walshy7]

Thats not how hockey works.

You dont have to be on the ice when an incident happens.

Martin being on the bench and in the lineup will keep oppenents honest for 2 reason.

1. They will have to answer the bell as you know Martin will get deployed out there eventually.

2. If someone takes a run at Mathews, they have to fear the retaliation that a guy like Martin will take a run at Kucherov/Stamkos.

Thats what enforcers do. Keep opponents honest

time for this stupid f***ing narrative to die

-Martin was in the lineup during that game dotchin did that, not a single thing happened to dotchin
-Players that try to hurt other players are prepared to fight and therefore not scared of matt martin or fighting him anyway. Or the rat kind who don't fight anyone at all
-Matt Martin to my knowledge has never "run" another player at all ever, so all of a sudden he is going to completely change the way he plays because someone hurt Matthews?.

to your point #2 why did he not run them in the game dotchin hurt Matthews?, oh that's right because he is never on the ice against actual good hockey players in order to be able to do that

 

[X66]

Thats not how hockey works.

You dont have to be on the ice when an incident happens.

Martin being on the bench and in the lineup will keep oppenents honest for 2 reason.

1. They will have to answer the bell as you know Martin will get deployed out there eventually.

2. If someone takes a run at Mathews, they have to fear the retaliation that a guy like Martin will take a run at Kucherov/Stamkos.

Thats what enforcers do. Keep opponents honest

Again, Martin was IN the line-up when that happened to Matthews.

A) Nothing deterred Dotchin from doing that
B) Martin did nothing to him

 

[shortfuze]

He may not be a big contributor on the ice but off the ice is a different story. A lot of the young guys love him and he may indirectly be helping a winning atmosphere.

 

[Walshy7]

He may not be a big contributor on the ice but off the ice is a different story. A lot of the young guys love him and he may indirectly be helping a winning atmosphere.

this is a legit reason for keeping him, none of that policeman stuff. He seems genuinely like a good person/pro and a lot of the players like him.