Post-Game Talk: Leafs @ Islanders, Oct 30

[GoonieFace]

Apparently winning puck battles but he doesn't do that either. He always loses it because he has no skill

Im guessing Shoshnikov will be replacing him once he gets some more game action in. Lets hope anyway

 

[Sam Spade]

Youngest team in the league and worst D core in the league. Some of you must've been expecting miracles.

They're actually not the youngest team in the league, but I agree about the D.

http://mirtle.blogspot.com/2015/10/2015-16-nhl-teams-by-height-weight-and.html

 

[SprDaVE]

They're actually not the youngest team in the league, but I agree about the D.

http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams

Seems like they are taking into account Lupul, Horton and Robidas. Remove those players and it changes the numbers drastically.

We were 2nd youngest before Michalek was waived, for the record. I haven't checked since.

 

[ULF_55]

Im guessing Shoshnikov will be replacing him once he gets some more game action in. Lets hope anyway

There is Leivo coming back from injury, but Babcock may not give him a chance.

 

[SprDaVE]

There is Leivo coming back from injury, but Babcock may not give him a chance.

I will guarantee it now: Leivo will go down to the Marlies for a 2 week conditioning stint.

It buys a little more time for the Leafs to perhaps make a move or two and cut down on some of these dead weight players. They can evaluate Leivo and what he can bring to the lineup as well.

 

[ULF_55]

I will guarantee it now: Leivo will go down to the Marlies for a 2 week conditioning stint.

It buys a little more time for the Leafs to perhaps make a move or two and cut down on some of these dead weight players. They can evaluate Leivo and what he can bring to the lineup as well.

If you look at actual production, half the team is dead weight.

That Michalek is tied with Kadri for even strength points at 2 points, and ahead of Komarov, Brown and Hyman ...

There is a lot of stone hands in this line-up.

 

[Shanty]

If you look at actual production, half the team is dead weight.

That Michalek is tied with Kadri for even strength points at 2 points, and ahead of Komarov, Brown and Hyman ...

There is a lot of stone hands in this line-up.

Stone hands aren't really our problem though. You have to expect scoring from the young guns will increase steadily as the year goes on. Probably a dip near the end of the year, just due to the 82 game grind.

We need defensive help, not more offense.

 

[ACC1224]

Expected a bit of a let down after Saturday night. Looked like they started to find their legs and the PP goal to start the 3rd was huge but once Enroth gifted the 3rd goal, they were done.

 

[Walshy7]

They're actually not the youngest team in the league, but I agree about the D.

http://mirtle.blogspot.com/2015/10/2015-16-nhl-teams-by-height-weight-and.html

they are once michalek was waived
also that link is from last year

 

[zeke]

First actual bad team game of the year.

And the worst cuplrits were Bozak, JVR, and Polak.


Nice to see Babcock recognize it and rip the team's performance for the first time this year - and call out Bozak and JVR specifically for awful games.

Hopefully we see more of Kadri and Marner together, and Polak shouldnreally sit for Corrado.

 

[Mad Brills*]

Getting tired of bozak.

 

[Mess]

First actual bad team game of the year.

And the worst cuplrits were Bozak, JVR, and Polak.


Nice to see Babcock recognize it and rip the team's performance for the first time this year - and call out Bozak and JVR specifically for awful games.

Hopefully we see more of Kadri and Marner together, and Polak shouldnreally sit for Corrado.

Bozak and JVR both -4 +/- each on the night and you take away Marner from that Duo and they look lost and ineffective.

Its vets roles that are suppose to insulate and prop up youth, but in this case its Marner that is propping them up.

A Komarov - Kadri - Marner line might be very effective at both ends of the ice.

 

[zeke]

the vets are killing us.

Kadri is the only Leaf over 25 that is carrying his weight.

 

[Rick74*]

People need to get a grip! This **** doesn't happen over night.

Pittsburgh for instance;

2002 finished 5th in Atlantic with 69 points...picked 5th got Ryan Whitney
2003 finished 5th in Atlantic with 65 points...picked 1st got Marc Andre Fleury
2004 finished 5th in Atlantic with 58 points

YES 58 POINTS...THEY ARE ACTUALLY TRENDING DOWN HAVING JUST PICKED FIRST OVERALL!??!!!! WTF?!

Anyways picked second overall, scored Malkin.

So now they have Whitney, Fleury and Malkin! How did they do THREE full years into rebuild???

THEY FINISHED DEAD LAST FELLAS!

2005 Finished 5th in the Atlantic again with 58 points!!! Wooo hoooo!!!! Picked first overall and scored Crosby.

We are technically in year 2 of the rebuild.

I think we are progressing along just fine.

 

[rrc1967]

Stone hands aren't really our problem though. You have to expect scoring from the young guns will increase steadily as the year goes on. Probably a dip near the end of the year, just due to the 82 game grind.

We need defensive help, not more offense.

it's usually the reverse of that.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

We have a bottom 5 lineup. It's weird to me that people don't see that.

Everyone knows that. Only some are willing to admit it.

If you look at thread trends & posting history, its pretty obvious that some portion (perhaps large?) of the fan base here have no patience. They are expecting quick results and are unwilling to go through a patient and structured rebuild with all of its necessary steps.

 

[rrc1967]

they are once michalek was waived
also that link is from last year

the difference is negligible and still doesn't buy the leafs any particular excuses.

 

[Rick74*]

If you look at thread trends & posting history, its pretty obvious that some portion (perhaps large?) of the fan base here have no patience. They are expecting quick results and are unwilling to go through a patient and structured rebuild with all of its necessary steps.

Yup!

We are picking high again this year, and that's TOTALLY FINE!

 

[rrc1967]

the vets are killing us.

Kadri is the only Leaf over 25 that is carrying his weight.

it would be interesting to see how much of a correlation there is between world cup players and non world cup players for the first 10 games of the season, especially league overall.

Let's face it the players that were in the world cup got a "jump start" on the rest of the league.

 

[Sam Spade]

they are once michalek was waived
also that link is from last year

http://www.quanthockey.com/TS/TS_AverageAge.php#TeamCharts

Doesn't matter, I was sort of making a joke. Leafs will be set once they fix the defense.

 

[Walshy7]

the difference is negligible and still doesn't buy the leafs any particular excuses.

ok but the list you posted is from 2015 and says average age is 28. either way I agree it doesnt buy excuses but it depends where that older players are in your lineup no? saying they are not the youngest team is one thing but are they the youngest team that has their best 3 players 20 and under?(I know there are other teams) playing heaviest forward mins. the older players are 4th liners and bottom pair defencemen.

edit: all im saying with this is relaying average ages are not a really godo indicator for how a team should be playing.

and sorry I am replying to the wrong poster haha

 

[rrc1967]

http://www.quanthockey.com/TS/TS_AverageAge.php#TeamCharts

Doesn't matter, I was sort of making a joke. Leafs will be set once they fix the defense.

cool charts. I like the weighted average.

would also be interesting to see weighted average with experience.

 

[rrc1967]

ok but the list you posted is from 2015 and says average age is 28. either way I agree it doesnt buy excuses but it depends where that older players are in your lineup no? saying they are not the youngest team is one thing but are they the youngest team that has their best 3 players 20 and under?(I know there are other teams) playing heaviest forward mins. the older players are 4th liners and bottom pair defencemen.

I didn't post any list. and it wasn't that hard to click on the website and see the other chart either.

and it's still immaterial .. other teams such as florida have their average age skewed up dramatically because of greybeards on the team.

 

[Mess]

Enroth .871 sv% is giving Andersen .876 sv% a run for his money.

 

[Walshy7]

I didn't post any list. and it wasn't that hard to click on the website and see the other chart either.

and it's still immaterial .. other teams such as florida have their average age skewed up dramatically because of greybeards on the team.

I addressed I was posting to the wrong person sorry. One of their greybeards is a first line forward and h.o.f, one of our grey beard is a 7th d man playing as a 5th Dman. our older players a really just empty uniforms is my point.