GDT: Leafs@Flyers 7PM SNO (8:08 puck drop)

[Ziggdiezan]

I think the Leafs are going to take this game 5-4 or something crazy.
Really don't rate Neuvirth at all.

 

[Kamiccolo]

oh good grief. and I thought I was melodramatic.
Babcock is not horrible, he's not castrating the offense, and it will be better.

Only thing worse than those who blindly hate are those who blindly appeal to authority. While his wording could be better, objectively the stats do show the offense has died, and anywhere else coaching would be called out for it.

 

[6ix]

I changed my avatar back to the blue leaf to give us a spark. If this fails all hope is lost.

 

[Daisy Jane]

Only thing worse than those who blindly hate are those who blindly appeal to authority. While his wording could be better, objectively the stats do show the offense has died, and anywhere else coaching would be called out for it.

okay so i say babcock makes weird and dumb decisions at times, and that = blindly appeal to authority. okay there. a good chunk of the offense is due to the fact that one player is shooting at 2% (so I'm really trying to figure out how calling out the coach would help that), and another chunk of the players are in their 2nd year trying to figure crap out.

or you know. having such a young team who while scored in buckets, couldn't hold a lead if their lives depended on it so sooooo much better than having a team who can play a bit more sound (even though they had some miscues the last few games - but you know Rielly making two gaffes, and a defensive breakdown is obvious Babcock's fault too).

it's a bad stretch. could Babcock make some changes, of course, and I never said he shouldn't.
but complaining on the fact that he's trying to teach this team how play playoff hockey so they can have success in the playoffs, when they have the point buffer to do so - vs. scoring a bucketful of goals, and being unable to hold down the leads (last time i checked the leafs are like 16, 3 and 2 when leading after two maybe a an extra loss here due to St Louis + Columbus where as last year they were beyond. bad).

if this was like two years from now, and everyone is more consistent, we have better defensive options instead of wanting to promote every single Marlie up, and Babcock is making these decisions and we're fighting for our playoff lives, sure, it makes all the sense. but taking into everything into account, i think ultimately at the end the Leafs will be better knowing how to play within and against different types of hockey vs. pond hockey and hoping that we can just continuously out score everyone and everything.

 

[ACC1224]

Sorry to ask a question relating to the game tonight but any idea yet who is sitting between Dermott, Carrick and Borgman?

 

[Budsfan]

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Sorry to ask a question relating to the game tonight but any idea yet who is sitting between Dermott, Carrick and Borgman?

If the lines are the same as during practice it looks like Borgman is sitting again

 

[al secord]

Hante Yo!

 

[ACC1224]

If the lines are the same as during practice it looks like Borgman is sitting again

Thanks. Surprised by that, figured Carrick would be down.

 

[Kamiccolo]

okay so i say babcock makes weird and dumb decisions at times, and that = blindly appeal to authority. okay there. a good chunk of the offense is due to the fact that one player is shooting at 2% (so I'm really trying to figure out how calling out the coach would help that), and another chunk of the players are in their 2nd year trying to figure crap out.

or you know. having such a young team who while scored in buckets, couldn't hold a lead if their lives depended on it so sooooo much better than having a team who can play a bit more sound (even though they had some miscues the last few games - but you know Rielly making two gaffes, and a defensive breakdown is obvious Babcock's fault too).

it's a bad stretch. could Babcock make some changes, of course, and I never said he shouldn't.
but complaining on the fact that he's trying to teach this team how play playoff hockey so they can have success in the playoffs, when they have the point buffer to do so - vs. scoring a bucketful of goals, and being unable to hold down the leads (last time i checked the leafs are like 16, 3 and 2 when leading after two maybe a an extra loss here due to St Louis + Columbus where as last year they were beyond. bad).

if this was like two years from now, and everyone is more consistent, we have better defensive options instead of wanting to promote every single Marlie up, and Babcock is making these decisions and we're fighting for our playoff lives, sure, it makes all the sense. but taking into everything into account, i think ultimately at the end the Leafs will be better knowing how to play within and against different types of hockey vs. pond hockey and hoping that we can just continuously out score everyone and everything.

You have been defending Babcock for a while not, which is fair you are allowed your opinion, but I have also noticed you don't want to accept that maybe some of this is Babcocks fault.

If you look at last years numbers, the Leafs stopped blowing leads in the 2nd half of last year, and the offense died and all the shooting% dropped around when Babcock changed the system to dump and chase.

Not to mention failing to play the top offensive players in key and opportunistic situations with proper support via linemates is linked to a lack of production.

 

[Budsfan]

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Great. Borgman scratched instead of Polak.

 

[Suntouchable13]

If Komarov and Hyman again get close to 20 mins of ice time and we lose, then Babcock deserve all the criticism he gets.

 

[GardinerTheForward]

Horrible is too much... The other rebuild teams sure, that can be the adjective.

But 5th in the east, and been in Playoff spot all year for a 2nd year rebuild despite the recent slumps?

hehe, not horrible man... it aint that

Go leafs go!

The only thing is that it isn't really a 2nd year rebuild

 

[PuckMagi]

If Komarov and Hyman again get close to 20 mins of ice time and we lose, then Babcock deserve all the criticism he gets.

sort by ATOI

among forwards:

1. Matthews
2. Hyman
3. Marleau
4. Komarov

It's ridiculous that Hyman and Komarov have more time on the ice than guys like Nylander and Marner.

 

[Daisy Jane]

Sorry to ask a question relating to the game tonight but any idea yet who is sitting between Dermott, Carrick and Borgman?

none as of yet.

(oh, apparently, borgman)

 

[ShaneFalco]

Great. Borgman scratched instead of Polak.

#safe

 

[ToneDog]

okay so i say babcock makes weird and dumb decisions at times, and that = blindly appeal to authority. okay there. a good chunk of the offense is due to the fact that one player is shooting at 2% (so I'm really trying to figure out how calling out the coach would help that), and another chunk of the players are in their 2nd year trying to figure crap out.

or you know. having such a young team who while scored in buckets, couldn't hold a lead if their lives depended on it so sooooo much better than having a team who can play a bit more sound (even though they had some miscues the last few games - but you know Rielly making two gaffes, and a defensive breakdown is obvious Babcock's fault too).

it's a bad stretch. could Babcock make some changes, of course, and I never said he shouldn't.
but complaining on the fact that he's trying to teach this team how play playoff hockey so they can have success in the playoffs, when they have the point buffer to do so - vs. scoring a bucketful of goals, and being unable to hold down the leads (last time i checked the leafs are like 16, 3 and 2 when leading after two maybe a an extra loss here due to St Louis + Columbus where as last year they were beyond. bad).

if this was like two years from now, and everyone is more consistent, we have better defensive options instead of wanting to promote every single Marlie up, and Babcock is making these decisions and we're fighting for our playoff lives, sure, it makes all the sense. but taking into everything into account, i think ultimately at the end the Leafs will be better knowing how to play within and against different types of hockey vs. pond hockey and hoping that we can just continuously out score everyone and everything.

Babs said there would be pain. Apparently many posters cannot handle it

 

[Al14]

Great. Borgman scratched instead of Polak.

Great. I see Borgman as a show of Babcock's middle finger to the Polak haters. LOL

 

[ToneDog]

If Komarov and Hyman again get close to 20 mins of ice time and we lose, then Babcock deserve all the criticism he gets.

But Willie and Mitch getting 20+ minutes and we lose is acceptable ? When Babs answers to the fans, he'll need to buy a ticket to Leaf games.

 

[Mikeyg]

Honestly the best thing to save our season would be to lose the next 4/5. The press pressure will eventually break ego cock. When your team isn’t scoring and komarov/hyman are toi leaders it’s obvious what needs to be done.

Marleau matthews nylander
Brown kadri Kapanen
Jvr bozo marner
Komarov goat hyman

My god, babs worst quality is his ineptitude in regard to supporting his star players. There is no excuse as to why the kadri line is still intact, just brutal bs Saskatchewan bias at play.

Wings fans warned us about this guy, they were right.

 

[ToneDog]

Great. I see Borgman as a show of Babcock's middle finger to the Polak haters. LOL

I don't mind Polak playing but Borgman may have been a better choice than Carrick. Of course that being said without knowing what goes on behind the scenes.

 

[Daisy Jane]

Babs said there would be pain. Apparently many posters cannot handle it

apparently, as i was told, they 'could' but not if Babcock was inflicting it.

at any rate, Philly is generally a tough draw for us, so i'd just like to leave there healthy and with at least one point.

 

[Daisy Jane]

If Komarov and Hyman again get close to 20 mins of ice time and we lose, then Babcock deserve all the criticism he gets.

why, Hyman?
as Nith has pointed out countless times, he's doing very well in his role this year, and a lot of his extra minutes is coming from penalty kill which we draw more than powerplays.

 

[DarkKnight]

Thanks. Surprised by that, figured Carrick would be down.

He was awful last game.