TSN: Leafs deadline wants: RHD or Power forward?
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EastonBlues22
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Okay.
What's the more realistic target, then?
The pending UFA crop for RHD (i.e. the rental market) is essentially barren, if I remember right. This is a big need for a prominent contender so I get the chatter, but there needs to be a second party that's actually willing to make a deal.
My sense is that there really isn't much out there at all at the moment...certainly not anything you might get for the typical rental package. Can anyone identify any realistic targets at the moment?
There's lots of chatter about the Blues, but they are certainly not rebuilding. Their ownership wants to win now, and everything they've done the last few years is pointing them in that direction. They aren't retooling, either, and they wouldn't retool by trading one of their two best defensemen, anyway. A team that's looking to contend simply isn't going to rip a giant hole in its blue line. I could see a change of scenery trade to shake things up, but that's not going to involve a top pairing defenseman going out without one coming back.
What other teams are there? LA isn't trading Doughty. Chicago doesn't have anything Toronto would want. What first pairing quality defensemen are available at this point, much less available for a collection of lesser parts?
I honestly don't think there are any. You could try to change a team's mind by making them an offer they can't refuse, or settle for a lesser solution, or simply ignore the issue for the time being. For all intents and purposes, though, I think this talk about getting a top pairing RHD is just pie in the sky wishing at this point. There's just no dance partners out there to be had.
He is good but not good enough as a main piece for a top pairing rhd. Sorry truth hurts.
Kamiccolo
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Oh ok. I guess if you just say that without any evidence or explanation as to why that is true, it must be true.
Well said, it's just unfortunate that the moment this gets read the leaf fans will just ignore it and make another thread trying to give quantity for quality
firstemperor
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Yea, I don't think there is a top-pairing RHD readily available either but you can never predict market dynamics in any sport about availability. No one would have predicted Karlsson, Tavares, ROR, etc. would be on the open market at any finite point in time either.
I think there a lot of ~top 4 RHD available at the right price. Tanev, Myers, Petry are three examples off the top of my head that I believe could be had at the right price- less so Petry now with how Bergevin seems to want to operate (+ the fact he is inter-division). In the off-season, I still firmly believe CDH is top-4 quality and could have slid over to the right side if we could have netted him as well.
We have internal options as well, if we're being optimistic, perhaps not immediately- unless we're being optimistic about Dermott or Rielly sliding over to the right side.
We wouldn't be able to fit a Doughty regardless, not sure he's the fit we'd want either with his cap-hit and our needs.
Even a lesser option like McQuaid- who I don't think is a top 4, would be a good fit in our lineup, IMO. Again, when we bring up the notion of "top-pairing RHD that is physical"- it is purely idealistic. I don't think any team is built perfect on paper, particularly in this current iteration of hockey- something a lot of fans and old-school hockey pundits refuse to acknowledge/accept.
I think the irony in your post is that, your the one that is bringing them up...
Who is better nylander or kap, who is better marner or nylander.
We both know the answers to this question.
Just admit it kap is a product of his team. Nylander or marner are the pieces to start with if you wasntva true #1rhd.
Kamiccolo
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Kap is a top line winger. He has that valueto be a big piece. I never said he could pull a guy Marner or Nylander could but those guys aren’t availabke so neither are our two.
Kap + Prospect + 1st is a significant package for a team depending on the quality of the prospect
hamzarocks
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Sure just fax over the paryako for brown papers and we have a deal
FlyingLeafus
But what about the playoffs?
Kapanen is more than just a product of his team and this will be proven by the end of the year. It's actually pretty unfortunate for the Leafs cap implications, but he looks like a legit threat whenever he is on the ice no matter who he is with. He's earned his spot next to Matthews. Doesn't make sense to trade him until the off-season though when his value will be maxed out.
Negan4Coach
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You had your chance to get a defenseman from us. That ship has sailed. Go hit up some other suckers who will hand you good young D for draft picks while you bogart every f***ing skill forward in the league.
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You cant just make chemistry with Rielly. It’s a tough spot.
Probably best to find Dermott a top 4 dman and limit all three pairs to playing an even 20 min per game as we don’t know if Oz can play 82 and playoffs.
Liferleafer
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These threads are so tiresome. The Leafs aren’t looking to add a power-forward. They aren’t looking to add a RHD.
Babcock has shown us how he builds a line.
Hyman (G), Tavares (S), Marner (P) (done)
Kapanen (G), Matthews (S), Nylander (P) (done)
Marleau (x), Kadri (P), Johnsson (S)
Ennis, Lindholm/Gauthier, Brown
The 4th line is basically a shutdown line and paid minimally so you’re not expecting much more than reliability and minute munching.
Marleau is the one guy that really doesn’t fit (and is retiring ,most likely after next season.) So we have Grundstrom poised to take that spot. The forwards are good. Nothing needs to be added.
On the blue line, the LHD are Rielly, Gardiner, Dermott. Zero issues there. Maybe a question mark with Gardiner re-signing but we have Sandin and Rosén who look ready so not much concern.
RHD are Hainsey, Zaitsev, and Ozhiganov. Again, no issues. People whine about Zaitsev but he’s actually just stable, reliable. We can’t expect to have 6x Riellys... plus we have Liljegren who will be bursting into the scene sooner than later. I don’t doubt that were it not for expansion he’d be up this year. Liljegren will replace Hainsey. So again, RHD not an issue.
The only trades they’re actually going to make will be to deal prospects to get younger prospects, such that they have just enough depth pushing the established vets but never so many that they put themselves at a disadvantage on the trade front. Then they get younger guys who will project to be ready to replace the vets at appropriate timelines so we seemlessly replace vets with well trained prospects.
If you want to see exciting trades in Toronto best to get a subscription to the Marlies.
Babcock has shown us how he builds a line.
- Grinder/Forechecker
- Shooter
- Playmaker
Hyman (G), Tavares (S), Marner (P) (done)
Kapanen (G), Matthews (S), Nylander (P) (done)
Marleau (x), Kadri (P), Johnsson (S)
Ennis, Lindholm/Gauthier, Brown
The 4th line is basically a shutdown line and paid minimally so you’re not expecting much more than reliability and minute munching.
Marleau is the one guy that really doesn’t fit (and is retiring ,most likely after next season.) So we have Grundstrom poised to take that spot. The forwards are good. Nothing needs to be added.
On the blue line, the LHD are Rielly, Gardiner, Dermott. Zero issues there. Maybe a question mark with Gardiner re-signing but we have Sandin and Rosén who look ready so not much concern.
RHD are Hainsey, Zaitsev, and Ozhiganov. Again, no issues. People whine about Zaitsev but he’s actually just stable, reliable. We can’t expect to have 6x Riellys... plus we have Liljegren who will be bursting into the scene sooner than later. I don’t doubt that were it not for expansion he’d be up this year. Liljegren will replace Hainsey. So again, RHD not an issue.
The only trades they’re actually going to make will be to deal prospects to get younger prospects, such that they have just enough depth pushing the established vets but never so many that they put themselves at a disadvantage on the trade front. Then they get younger guys who will project to be ready to replace the vets at appropriate timelines so we seemlessly replace vets with well trained prospects.
If you want to see exciting trades in Toronto best to get a subscription to the Marlies.
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The fact Gudbranson sucks and makes 4 million would be a pretty big no here. Add to that your asking price; and i am confident that no would also include at least one explative.
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Liferleafer
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My view lately is that you’re either a tough team or you play the skilled game. Having one tough guy won’t make the difference. Once you have him out there stirring the pot against a team with multiple pwr forwards you put yourself at a disadvantage for the rest of the team that doesn’t like a physical game. Play your skilled game and draw the penalties.
Only thing that scares me is the 2010 Canucks
Only thing that scares me is the 2010 Canucks
Those who say Kapanen is a product of the team, are not watching Leafs games.
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