Speculation: Leafs d-man shopping list this summer..

[Menzinger]

I'm expecting that management will go shopping for a young defender this summer. They've got a surplus of picks and prospects.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Rielly Gardiner Hunwick Marincin
Percy Carrick Harrington Corrado
(Cowen) + (Robidas)

ith Robidas and Cowen gone, as the roster stands right now we can just use 8D or use 7D and put 1 guy on waivers. Adding a 9th defenseman means 1 guy on waivers (8D) or 2 guys on waivers (7D). Signing a 10th guy means 2(8D) or 3(7D) guys on waivers, and so on and so on.

I'm thinking management is okay with losing one guy to waivers out of Carrick Hrrington Percy and Corrado. If we were in a position to lose two or more to waivers, I think we would make a trade.

So IMO, if we...

Do nothing = no trade required
Add one D = no trade required (run 8D) OR we trade (run 7D)
Add two D = we trade at least one Dman

I'm really hoping we add Zatsiev and only put one guy on waivers. Also hoping we keep Percy and see how he does spending all year in the NHL.

 

[ULF_55]

Define the +. That's the key to this trade. If it's Gardiner, no thanks.

Rielly Gardiner Hunwick Marincin
Percy Carrick Harrington Corrado
(Cowen) + (Robidas)

ith Robidas and Cowen gone, as the roster stands right now we can just use 8D or use 7D and put 1 guy on waivers. Adding a 9th defenseman means 1 guy on waivers (8D) or 2 guys on waivers (7D). Signing a 10th guy means 2(8D) or 3(7D) guys on waivers, and so on and so on.

I'm thinking management is okay with losing one guy to waivers out of Carrick Hrrington Percy and Corrado. If we were in a position to lose two or more to waivers, I think we would make a trade.

So IMO, if we...

Do nothing = no trade required
Add one D = no trade required (run 8D) OR we trade (run 7D)
Add two D = we trade at least one Dman

I'm really hoping we add Zatsiev and only put one guy on waivers. Also hoping we keep Percy and see how he does spending all year in the NHL.

Yes, that is sad!

Another tank year or they do something to make huge improvements.

 

[tony135420]

It's easy to say 'trade Gardiner.' How about giving us some ideas as to what the return would be.

I was thinking maybe a package of Gardiner with our second to move into the top 10. Use that pick on a guy like Juolevi, Chycryn, Sergachev, basically one of the defensmen ranked in that area. I think that would be fair value. Otherwise we keep him.

I'm not against holding on to Gardiner, as I feel he's done very well this season, however, I'd be inclined to trade him for the right pieces. I just think his defensive zone play has plateaued, and it's not that great. So many tools on this guy and he just can't get to that next step.

Now I'm not blind to the fact that if you trade a guy like him, you create a hole on the second pairing and he IS a top 4 d-man right now. However, with guys like Valiev, Loov, Harrington, Percy and Marincin (who is a natural LD I think, please correct me if I'm wrong) looking to graduate from the Marlies or already on the Leafs and IMO are better all round defensmen than Gards, I believe he could be replaced with a more affordable veteran UFA or any of the aforementioned players, albeit, with less offensive prowess. Marincin in particular has shown in a small sample size, that he's capable of handling an expanded role.

Just my thought. For the record I fully expect he'll be a Leaf next season...

 

[BertCorbeau]

To be honest unless a legit top pairing/top 4 guy is available (like Trouba) I'd just like to see Zaitsev signed and that's it really...

Hunwick is the veteran back there, and it'd be a young group but this is what it'd look like:

Rielly - Marincin
Gardiner - Zaitsev
Hunwick - Carrick

With guys like Corrado, Loov, or Percy as #7/#8 d-men .. Valiev gets top pairing minutes on the Marlies. With Dermott and Neilsen making the jump to the AHL next year there's a strong steady fill of young d-men coming in .. Need to start giving those near ready NHL guys a chance if they play well enough.

Marincin's emergence since Phaneuf was moved as really put an interesting spin on the d-core. I think it's worthwhile to take a chance at him playing with Rielly on the first pairing next season and see what they can do. Given the Leafs are still in a rebuilding state I don't think there's much at stake. I also believe that Gardiner and Rielly are starting to hit the part in their development where they don't need sheltering anymore, and they can carry the load to be insulators of the kids.

 

[Menzinger]

I was thinking maybe a package of Gardiner with our second to move into the top 10. Use that pick on a guy like Juolevi, Chycryn, Sergachev, basically one of the defensmen ranked in that area. I think that would be fair value. Otherwise we keep him.

I'm not against holding on to Gardiner, as I feel he's done very well this season, however, I'd be inclined to trade him for the right pieces. I just think his defensive zone play has plateaued, and it's not that great. So many tools on this guy and he just can't get to that next step.

Now I'm not blind to the fact that if you trade a guy like him, you create a hole on the second pairing and he IS a top 4 d-man right now. However, with guys like Valiev, Loov, Harrington, Percy and Marincin (who is a natural LD I think, please correct me if I'm wrong) looking to graduate from the Marlies or already on the Leafs and IMO are better all round defensmen than Gards, I believe he could be replaced with a more affordable veteran UFA or any of the aforementioned players, albeit, with less offensive prowess. Marincin in particular has shown in a small sample size, that he's capable of handling an expanded role.

Just my thought. For the record I fully expect he'll be a Leaf next season...

I think Leafs management is pretty high on Gardiner - he was one of their biggest signings early on. I doubt they flip him just to move up 10ish spots in the draft.

 

[The Podium]

Vatanen or Demers along with Zaitsev.

Rielly Demers
Gardiner Zaitsev
Marincin C.Carrick

or

Rielly Zaitsev
Gardiner Vatanen
Marincin C.Carrick

 

[BertCorbeau]

I think Leafs management is pretty high on Gardiner - he was one of their biggest signings early on. I doubt they flip him just to move up 10ish spots in the draft.

Yeah he has really emerged this year and is a good anchor on the second pairing. Rielly is becoming more of an anchor on the top pairing so the Leafs have some good pieces on the back end. Just need to find the remaining pieces.

I think a love of teams would love to have Rielly and Gardiner in their top 4 because of their skating and ability to move the puck.

 

[Macallan18]

I see Shattenkirk trade to the Leafs as a real possibility. A top 4 of Reilly, Shattenkirk, Gardiner, and zaitsev I think is quite strong.

I would bet there is a zero chance of this.
We already have a top three of Reilly, Gardiner and Marincin.
Can only protect 3 at the next expansion draft.
Furthermore, Shattenkirk has 1 year left on his contract, and will want a huge payday for 2017 going forward. Why would we do that?
Anyways, Shattenkirk isn't happening.
Most likely Reilly, Gardiner Marincin and Zaitsev, with the kids filling in, and Hunwick unless someone wants him at the TDL.

 

[Leafin]

Unless we are getting Demers cheap (highly doubtful) i don't think he's a great idea to invest money and term into. This is the same type of signing we have been burned by in the past. Komisarek, Beauchemin, Hagman, Clarkson, Armstrong etc. Guys that are good hockey players but are in that average level where they are likely to be overpaid if they see a slight decrease in production.

Instead of using cap resources on middling talent we should be drafting and developing our own. Use the free agency market to snap up elite talent when it becomes available. We aren't a contending team just yet so filling a top 4 spot with a guy that is good(Demers) but not great doesn't really help push the needle much. At least not enough to warrant a big commitment.

 

[pucci2001]

Why not go after Subban for JVR++?
The Habs are ******** if the report I read earlier is true about him being traded by draft day.

 

[Menzinger]

Why not go after Subban for JVR++?
The Habs are ******** if the report I read earlier is true about him being traded by draft day.

I wouldn't be opposed to that - the Habs managed are idiots anyways, if they trade him they aren't going to get close to what he's worth.

Trading a defencemen of his caliber is never a good idea - especially since they aren't even trying to rebuild.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Why not go after Subban for JVR++?
The Habs are ******** if the report I read earlier is true about him being traded by draft day.

For a star guy like Subban, they're gonna ask for a youngish center and they're probably gonna look for guys who don't go UFA two summers later.

Lots of teams will line up to trade for Subban, so Bergevin will make certain demands like that and at least one team will be willing to meet them.

 

[NarcoPolo]

Why not go after Subban for JVR++?
The Habs are ******** if the report I read earlier is true about him being traded by draft day.

Link??

 

[Mess]

Being able to somehow get Trouba would be huge. Very unlikely though.

Trouba will be too rich for Winnipeg blood and I think he will be a target of Lou this summer.

A Rielly -- Trouba pairing would be great.

 

[Kurisu]

They're not trading Subban. Don't be ridiculous. Owner would fire GM and coach before Subban is traded.

Leafs need their own Seabrook kind of defencemen that can be that defensive rock but also chip in offensively.

 

[AppsSyl]

For a star guy like Subban, they're gonna ask for a youngish center and they're probably gonna look for guys who don't go UFA two summers later.

Lots of teams will line up to trade for Subban, so Bergevin will make certain demands like that and at least one team will be willing to meet them.

I wonder if the Habs who are in win now mode would entertain something like JVR, Kadri, Gardiner for Subban, 2016 1st. We could take back a contract to even out salaries.

 

[sessiroth]

Wish list via trade, one of the following,

Faulk
Carlsson
Trouba
Hamonic

I realize we would have to give up major pieces for one of those guys but it would be worth it IMO

 

[ottawa]

They're not trading Subban. Don't be ridiculous. Owner would fire GM and coach before Subban is traded.

Leafs need their own Seabrook kind of defencemen that can be that defensive rock but also chip in offensively.

To add to this, Molson literally stepped into negotiation talks to make things move forward when talks weren't going smooth with Subban and Bergevin.

Molson loves Subban.

 

[sxvnert]

Rielly ----------
Gardiner Zaitsev
Hunwick Carrick

Trouba is at the top of that list IMO.

 

[Leafin]

Rielly - XXXX
Gardiner - Zaitsev
Marincin - Carrick/Corrado

Trouba would be fantastic up there. Not sure he's realistic considering he'll be expensive to acquire.

 

[Apotheosis]

I prefer Montour over Vatanen but it's up to the Ducks to see who they move out.

 

[SprDaVE]

To add to this, Molson literally stepped into negotiation talks to make things move forward when talks weren't going smooth with Subban and Bergevin.

Molson loves Subban.

This is absolutely hilarious.

 

[UllmansTiger]

I like the idea of adding a vet in principal. Campbell is not the guy because he porn sky gets more than 2mill per and he's also too close to Robidas territory for me.

The ideal scenario would be to add another Hunwick type to the mix. Who can eat up minutes and insulate the inevitable call ups like Valiev and Loov.

So, like, 2 mil for his side job...

Waiting for the squeeze in 2017 might be a good idea, especially if you 'know' what's going to happen, like Lou probably does, if there's an expansion draft you could get some treasure for pennies on the dollar in general. Could be a good idea to ride it out with Zaitsev and kids as the only additions on D, even if Zaitsev is nothing it still seems like the right move should an expansion draft become a reality.

 

[supermann_98]

shattenkirk for kadri + pls

If we get Stamkos and Matthews I'd do this in a heartbeat.

Wow, we'd be (In my opinion) pretty close to playoff contention.

JVR - Stamkos - Marner
Matthews - Nylander - Komarov
Soshnikov - Bozak - Michalek
Greening - Laich - Hyman

Reilly - Shattenkirk
Gardiner - Zaitsev
Marincin - Carrick

Goalie would be an issue