Laine has already 70% amount of assists than he had in the whole last season

[RageQuit77]

He's a Finn living in Canada. Used to post here under "psychodad" nick but he got banned about a year back. Probably changed his IP and is back with new nick. He also got kicked out from Finnish discussion site, Jatkoaika.com

Aha! That's why I felt eerie, unnamed familiarity . He is great guy! Seldom anyone have guts to fight against overwhelming odds in way he has done over several years. If there are some infractions in his past, they must be placed to right context. Rarely he has been guilty to ad hominem attacks himself, but because he has had tendency to not let people go freely with half-baked logic, he have been a target of such attacks himself beyond his fair share.

I've missed him. He is one of this site's rare "serious hockey fans". All good for him. He knows his Patrik for sure.

 

[RorschachWJK]

Threads like this shouldn't be started. The topic might be worth a visit halfway through the season, not now.

 

[Necrobutcher]

Threads like this shouldn't be started. The topic might be worth a visit halfway through the season, not now.

Yeah current events shouldn't be discussed.

 

[RorschachWJK]

Yeah current events shouldn't be discussed.

Significant current events should be, yes. But the OP starts threads on any minuscule topic he can possible dig up that is somehow related to a Finnish player and is positive. Gets tiring real fast.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Glad I took him in my pool

 

[jepjepjoo]

And scoring all those goals on the PP with again byfuidlen connor scheiefle Wheeler all setting him up you can see why he scored most of his goals there

He scores most of his goals (best to focus on that then assist considering thread title though it’s an impressive star) he scores most of his goals consistently
On the powerplay

You’re just looking at the good. Yeah he had that many goals but he always got credit as a lethal scorer, and always scores most of his goals with wheeler and Scheifele on the PP.

e’s not a tremendous skater, he scores most of his goals on the powerplay anyway that has those elite playmaker so I never got the he plays with Brian little crap to begin with.

It's almost like a praise to Laine that you've re-emerged in threads/posts that mention Laine... You have a habit of putting down any player that threatens Eichels god status.

Once again Laine does NOT score most of his goals on the PP(atleast the fourth time you've claimed this in as many days). 44 of his 113 goals have been scored on the PP.

Patrik "PP only" Laine has scored 35.5% of his points on the PP (16-17 to 19-20)
Jack "God" Eichel has scored 36.1% of his points on the PP (15-16 to 19-20)

 

[RageQuit77]

Threads like this shouldn't be started. The topic might be worth a visit halfway through the season, not now.

Its better there are one Patrik Laine thread in the main boards than that there are ten. Patrik simply happens to be a guy who generate a lot of debate, being that 5 goals night or 30GP slump in a woods. He is enigma. Even his worst haters are obliged to accept certain facts about him, and his fans tend to be generally just as baffled about his doings than hockey media.

Currently he is also on the top of NHL scoring, the topic that is outrageously off-topic for the leading NHL hockey discussion site of the world.

 

[Nate070]

It really is amazing what picking up second assists on amazing Scheifele feeds will do for someone's reputation. 5 of his 7 assists are secondary

Aaaaand there he is!!! I was waiting for this guy He is hilarious!

 

[jepjepjoo]

It really is amazing what picking up second assists on amazing Scheifele feeds will do for someone's reputation. 5 of his 7 assists are secondary

Laine has 3 primary and 4 secondary... Same as McDavid.

Scheifele has 4 primary 3 secondary.

 

[Nate070]

Laine has 3 primary and 4 secondary... Same as McDavid.

Scheifele has 4 primary 3 secondary.

Please, do not come in here with facts and stuff. Jets"Croweater"Homer will not like that

 

[19GoalsInPlayoffs]

Um. If you’re expecting any 21 year old who scores 53 points to turn into a 100+ point Mackinnon just because of that point total you should know Mackinnon’s development curve was an extreme outlier even for 1st overall picks.

No it is not an extreme outlier. Many very good players have some ”bad” seasons when they are young. They all develop differently. But by no means Mackinnons early years were an oddity never seen with other young prospects.

To back my words I checked some players that have been in the top 10 points previous years. This is by no means done systematically. I just spent some 10 minutes for this ”analyzis” to show some context. Not sure these players are/were superstars, but heck of a players anyway.

None of the seasons listed below are their rookie seasons. The hardest thing to do was to find good players with no or only couple of games missed in their ”bad seasons” when being so young:

Scheifele at 21 years old: 82 games 49 pts (15 goals)
Wheeler 23: 82; 38 pts (18)
Marchand 22: 77; 41 pts (21)
Giroux 22: 82; 47 pts (16)
Guentzel 23: 82; 48 pts (22)
Kessel 20: 82; 37 pts (19)
Getzlaf 21: 82; 58 pts (25)
Perry 21: 82; 44 pts (17)
Spezza 20: 78; 55 pts (22)
H. Sedin 21: 82; 36 pts (16)
D. Sedin 22: 79; 31 pts (14)
Iginla 21: 82; 51 pts (28)

And so on...

 

[bondra]

Threads like this shouldn't be started. The topic might be worth a visit halfway through the season, not now.

Im not a fan of Laine but its pity and somehow funny how he gets treated in Hfboards. Im 100% sure if Laine had 0 points there would be threads mocking him how he is still addicted to fortnite and etc...

I think Laine has deserved this thread, only because of the s*** people have been throwing into him due to last season.

 

[RageQuit77]

Aaaaand there he is!!! I was waiting for this guy He is hilarious!

To be correct, Patrik Laine has 4 secondary assists this season, not 5. Career-wise he has a total of 36 2nd assists, thus his impressive start of this season has serious impact to his 2ndA/GP rate. Ridiculously high 11.1% of his career 2nd assists have been produced during his last 5 games, that is only less than 2.1% of his career regular season games.

Patrik has apparently surpassed his ceiling.

As a ridiculously irrelevant side-note, he is currently pacing above his career G/GP too, but that doesn't matter much as goals are pretty meaningless at the end of the season when Art Rosses and Harts are shared to those who are most deserving. Patrik should immediately increase his 2nd Assists/Game pace to keep up with co-scoring leader Connor McDavid, that is also one of those whom 2nd assists are always perfectly earned beauties of hard work, skill, swag, leadership, and generational hockey IQ.

Currently things are bad for Laine, if he cannot improve his share in these all-important secondary points asap, the current 100% symmetry with McDavid's points quality will be broken, and....uh... our PP-specialist will lose in points quality to ultimate PP-hero playmaker.

You don't have even cherry pick anything to make a point how ridiculous that comment was. Just look at basic offensive stats.

Sources for those who bother to look at them: NHL.com - Stats
Patrik Laine 2019-20 Scoring Log | Hockey-Reference.com
Connor McDavid 2019-20 Scoring Log | Hockey-Reference.com

 

[RageQuit77]

Also, I'm horrified by Patrik's current trend. If it continues much longer, he will soon drop out from PP-specialist discussion as a serious contender. At least he should be able to score those 2nd assists in PP, to be taken seriously. Random dudes are soon surpassing him with their superior PPG to EVG ratios. Alarming current career percentages of some random dudes:

Andreychuk 42.8%
Laine 38.9%
Ovechkin 37.7%
Selänne 37.3%
Robitaille 37.0%
Malkin 36.5%
Shanahan 36.1%
Lemieux 34.2%
Esposito 34.3%
Crosby 30.6%
Gretzky 22.8%
McDavid 16.0%

The guy like Laine should put some effort to keep with these guys. Otherwise that funny talk about PP-specialism goes old. He can afford to lose some 5 units of % to be still taken seriously as PP goal scorer, but recent affairs with play making and assisting green D-men on even strength goal scoring situations seriously hinder his chances in this matter. What's even worse, his goals to assists ratio in all situations is dropping alarmingly fast, something that is normal only to those so called elite playmakers that have tendency to accumulate a lot of precious 2nd assists.

More accidental empty-netters could remedy the nearly catastrophic situation, tho. Hopefully they keep coming, but even in that high rare art of goal scoring, Laine's proper utilization in PKs would tremendously help him in his lost cause.

/prophylatics

 

[Plural]

Aha! That's why I felt eerie, unnamed familiarity . He is great guy! Seldom anyone have guts to fight against overwhelming odds in way he has done over several years. If there are some infractions in his past, they must be placed to right context. Rarely he has been guilty to ad hominem attacks himself, but because he has had tendency to not let people go freely with half-baked logic, he have been a target of such attacks himself beyond his fair share.

I've missed him. He is one of this site's rare "serious hockey fans". All good for him. He knows his Patrik for sure.

I was baffled at first too. I was like "I swear I've talked with you before". I don't really have too strong opinions about him. Dude is passionate. Bit out there, but passionate. His non-hockey opinions bothered me the most.

FWIW, he did say Laine is the most valuable asset in the history of the game.

 

[elmaco]

Lmao this JetsHomer guy ripped Laine all off-season and now that hes doing good again he has to continue to not lose face. Cringe.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

Im not a fan of Laine but its pity and somehow funny how he gets treated in Hfboards. Im 100% sure if Laine had 0 points there would be threads mocking him how he is still addicted to fortnite and etc...

I think Laine has deserved this thread, only because of the s*** people have been throwing into him due to last season.

Not just HFBoards, but Reddit, Finnish hockey boards, Finnish yellow media comment sections. The guy has gotten shit on everywhere.

Hopefully it's Patrik's turn to take a shit on the haters now : )

 

[RageQuit77]

I was baffled at first too. I was like "I swear I've talked with you before". I don't really have too strong opinions about him. Dude is passionate. Bit out there, but passionate. His non-hockey opinions bothered me the most.

FWIW, he did say Laine is the most valuable asset in the history of the game.

Aaah-a. If his rough path is due incapability to keep off-hockey things out from a boards, I can see why there have been some 'treatments'. However, on personal level and strictly within hockey topics (only topics I've had experience with him) I have nothing bad to say about him.

Being passionate is not a sin, being passionate and usually right with his basic conceptions on Patrik Laine (yes, its not about recency bias for him generally) can cause all kinds of weird things. Here and there. For you and me.

But, that's off-topic (and border-line rules violation). Happy he is still with us. Discussions tend to be much more interesting in these parts when he is participating.

 

[PhilJets]

It really is amazing what picking up second assists on amazing Scheifele feeds will do for someone's reputation. 5 of his 7 assists are secondary

To be fair the feed was sailing to a wild player.
Laine nudge it mid air to redirect to where Wheeler

Smart boy Laine that is....

 

[abax44]

He said himself that they decided to start his skating two weeks earlier than last year. That is just a nuance really. It makes a pretty small difference to anything. Some, but nothing drastic. And anyway they had the option to decide it on the basis of him having his strength training already at that point that he doesn’t have to emphasize it as much in his training as he did before.

This is exactly going by the plan they made a few years ago. I even said myself that it will go to that, that they will gradually increase his amount of skating during the summers when he has trained the hard strength training for the most part enough.

Laine said himself that in addition to the two weeks earlier skating, they added also some conditioning exercises for his back. And otherwise they changed nothing else with his training from before. So everything is going very much by their plan. Of course some fine tuning will happen for some off-seasons. I have never claimed something like that wouldn’t still happen.

So the plan all along was to wreak his back, have a terrible 3rd season, fix his back, sign a bridge deal and then cash in?

Haha Chevy, you got played by the master plan.

 

[tomi2]

It really is amazing what picking up second assists on amazing Scheifele feeds will do for someone's reputation. 5 of his 7 assists are secondary

How much does it piss you off seeing Laine play well?

 

[Jeti]

Are people seriously complaining about secondary assists? Everyone gets secondary assists and better players tend to get more of them, even the seemingly unimpressive indirect kind. It's the result of having the puck more and keeping more plays alive.

Some of Laine's secondary assists this year have come off good defensive plays or good breakouts - i.e. plays everyone (myself included) complained he wasn't making last year. They might not be nice setups, but they're directly a result of things he needed to improved upon.

 

[RageQuit77]

Are people seriously complaining about secondary assists? Everyone gets secondary assists and better players tend to get more of them, even the seemingly unimpressive indirect kind. It's the result of having the puck more and keeping more plays alive.

Some of Laine's secondary assists this year have come off good defensive plays or good breakouts - i.e. plays everyone (myself included) complained he wasn't making last year. They might not be nice setups, but they're directly a result of things he needed to improved upon.

How someone can say something rational with so few words! Good comment!

My own efforts have been revolving around sarcastic remarks what all horrible things can come upon esteemed and established play making figures if Laine continues act like them, as he would effectively render nul all those normal arguments that are used against him in comparisons with other guys of his caliber. You know, following a tradition with Laine, 2nd assists doesn't count when he score them, but if famous Art Ross and Hart winners score them they are perfectly ok, certainly something better than a same amount of goals. /Sarcasm

 

[Kaako Kappo]

Are people seriously complaining about secondary assists? Everyone gets secondary assists and better players tend to get more of them, even the seemingly unimpressive indirect kind. It's the result of having the puck more and keeping more plays alive.

Some of Laine's secondary assists this year have come off good defensive plays or good breakouts - i.e. plays everyone (myself included) complained he wasn't making last year. They might not be nice setups, but they're directly a result of things he needed to improved upon.

And in change those nice setups haven't converted into goals. Doesn't mean there haven't been any. Because there have.

 

[tgoat]

I'm going to enjoy these Laine and Matthews threads for the next 15 years