Dreger: Kreider most likely to be traded after contract talks. 1st Rounder on the table.

[Calad]

I can't speak with any type of authority but if I were GM I would leave out the final conditional... who knows.

I do know Studnicka is a top prospect and I think for him to move in the first place I think Kreider would have an extension in place at the time of the trade.

There is real potential for Kreider to be the missing piece and I think it's the only true option for the Bruins. There are plenty of other rumored players but they are less exciting.

I think a small part of the argument for trading Kreider is that Gorton could attempt to resign him in the offseason so I would hope they get extra compensation in the event Kreider doesn't make it back to July 1st.

If Studnicka isn't gonna be moved then we would look for someone else with more immediate impact say a 1st and DeBrusk.

There is also the possibility of the Rangers taking back the Backes contract (with level of retention dependant on what assets come back)

 

[Heckler81]

I don't think a straight 1st and Studnicka are fair asks for Kreider.

How about
Kreider (50% retained)

For

Studnicka
Conditional 2020 2nd (becomes a 1st if Boston reaches the cup)
Conditional 2021 3rd (becomes a 1st if Kreider resigns.

I like this deal but I think it should be a 2nd if he re-signs with them.

 

[BB88]

I don't think a straight 1st and Studnicka are fair asks for Kreider.

How about
Kreider (50% retained)

For

Studnicka
Conditional 2020 2nd (becomes a 1st if Boston reaches the cup)
Conditional 2021 3rd (becomes a 1st if Kreider resigns.

There's not a chance that Boston trades their best prospect who happens to be a C and b) kills their future for Kreider.

I think a small part of the argument for trading Kreider is that Gorton could attempt to resign him in the offseason so I would hope they get extra compensation in the event Kreider doesn't make it back to July 1st.

If Studnicka isn't gonna be moved then we would look for someone else with more immediate impact say a 1st and DeBrusk.

There is also the possibility of the Rangers taking back the Backes contract (with level of retention dependant on what assets come back)

Are you serious here?

How many UFA's return this?

The hell is the point of Kreider if you trade Debrusk?

We are talking of UFA Kreider, not superstar here.

 

[Calad]

There's not a chance that Boston trades their best prospect who happens to be a C and b) kills their future for Kreider.



Are you serious here?

How many UFA's return this?

The hell is the point of Kreider if you trade Debrusk?

We are talking of UFA Kreider, not superstar here.

So dramatic lol

 

[BB88]

So dramatic lol

2 cond. 1st's+ teams best prospect or a 23y top6 winger+ 1st for UFA winger.
Craziness at top speed.

 

[Beaszt519]

I mean, as a Rangers fan I'd certainly take that. My offer was the same thing as the Toronto one though: 2 Bottom 6 Fs and a Bottom 4 Dman for a Top pairing Dman and a Top 6 winger.

Kerfoot = Solid 40 Point 3rd Line C on a nice contract for 3 more years
Johnsson = Solid 40+ Point Top 6 LW on a nice contract for 3 more years
Dermott = Solid Bottom 4 2-Way LD

Kreider as of right now is a 50 Point LW rental that without a doubt would price himself out of Toronto after the playoffs for the exact same production Johnsson could easily provide to NYR/TOR if given the same playing/pp time.

DeAngelo = Top 4 Offensive RD

Not at all a "Terrible" proposal like some are suggesting.. It's bad asset management if Toronto was to make this trade but it could be the difference between missing/making the playoffs THIS year.

 

[Kupo]

A 1st and good, not great prospect. Or, straight up for a very good prospect (which GM’s rarely move, especially in a league that’s trending younger and cost effective).

Most Rangers fans would be happy with a return similar to what Hayes got last year at the deadline.

I’d want a little more considering it looks like a shallower market this year with CK being the best available option. Conditional pick based on player/team performance, or CK re-signing.

 

[yeaher]

How about Byram, a first, and a second? For Panarin

 

[slg1963]

I don't think a straight 1st and Studnicka are fair asks for Kreider.

How about
Kreider (50% retained)

For

Studnicka
Conditional 2020 2nd (becomes a 1st if Boston reaches the cup)
Conditional 2021 3rd (becomes a 1st if Kreider resigns.

How about Strunicka and a 2nd would that work?

 

[Kupo]

Kerfoot = Solid 40 Point 3rd Line C on a nice contract for 3 more years
Johnsson = Solid 40+ Point Top 6 LW on a nice contract for 3 more years
Dermott = Solid Bottom 4 2-Way LD

Kreider as of right now is a 50 Point LW rental that without a doubt would price himself out of Toronto after the playoffs for the exact same production Johnsson could easily provide to NYR/TOR if given the same playing/pp time.

DeAngelo = Top 4 Offensive RD

Not at all a "Terrible" proposal like some are suggesting.. It's bad asset management if Toronto was to make this trade but it could be the difference between missing/making the playoffs THIS year.

What makes this awful is ADA. He’s not available. He’s on pace for 60+ points and he’s just 24. The Rangers don’t need middle-6 depth at the expense of ADA.

Take him completely out of the proposal and come up with something else.

 

[Kupo]

How about Byram, a first, and a second? For Panarin

Seriously though, why even post this?

 

[Calad]

2 cond. 1st's+ teams best prospect or a 23y top6 winger+ 1st for UFA winger.
Craziness at top speed.

The conditions are only met if Boston is very successful or if Boston retains Kreider beyond this season. If they win the cup I would guess Kreider to have a positive influence on that and a price worth paying (moving up from ~60 to 30). If Kreider extends in Boston for another 7 years then Boston is all in on their window for the next 3-4 seasons so Kreider is more valuable to them than another last first.

But, you know, "craziness at top speed" and all that

 

[yeaher]

Seriously though, why even post this?

I read that earlier in the thread as something the Avs need to offer for Kreider

 

[Kupo]

I read that earlier in the thread as something the Avs need to offer for Kreider

Most Rangers fans realize a player like Byram and Newhook are not realistic options for a rental.

 

[BB88]

The conditions are only met if Boston is very successful or if Boston retains Kreider beyond this season. If they win the cup I would guess Kreider to have a positive influence on that and a price worth paying (moving up from ~60 to 30). If Kreider extends in Boston for another 7 years then Boston is all in on their window for the next 3-4 seasons so Kreider is more valuable to them than another last first.

But, you know, "craziness at top speed" and all that

It for sure is.
You are asking potentially for 3 1st’s and as a quarantee Bostons best prospect who’s the only one with a shot at replacing Krejci.

For a damm UFA.

Boston has looked for 4 years for another top6 fit, your other plan is to fix that by replacing their 2nd line Lw with a new 2nd line Lw+ a 1st and making damm sure that’s not happening

Brilliant idea

I want to live in a fantasy land like that as well

 

[Calad]

It for sure is.
You are asking potentially for 3 1st’s and as a quarantee Bostons best prospect who’s the only one with a shot at replacing Krejci.

For a damm UFA.

Boston has looked for 4 years for another top6 fit, your other plan is to fix that by replacing their 2nd line Lw with a new 2nd line Lw+ a 1st and making damm sure that’s not happening

Brilliant idea

I want to live in a fantasy land like that as well

There you go with the 3 1sts again. You're impressive

 

[BB88]

There you go with the 3 1sts again. You're impressive

Well you wrote that proposal not me

 

[Calad]

Well you wrote that proposal not me

Please point to where I suggested

You are asking potentially for 3 1st’s and as a quarantee Bostons best prospect who’s the only one with a shot at replacing Krejci.

Then we can continue this conversation, otherwise I'll continue to treat you as a troll

 

[BB88]

Please point to where I suggested


Then we can continue this conversation, otherwise I'll continue to treat you as a troll

2 cond 1sts+ Stud=

You do know Kreider is UFA?

 

[Calad]

2 cond 1sts+ Stud=

You do know Kreider is UFA?

Yawn. You're talking in circles, enjoy that.

 

[BB88]

Yawn. You're talking in circles, enjoy that.

You get like this when called out on brutal proposals?

Did you or did you not have cond 1st round picks+ teams best prospect on your proposal?

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Not saying I agree one way or another but a much lesser player in Zucc got two conditional 1sts last year.....

He also wasnt the top rental on the market last season either.

 

[BlackFrancis]

Not saying I agree one way or another but a much lesser player in Zucc got two conditional 1sts last year.....

He also wasnt the top rental on the market last season either.

I'm hoping "much lesser" simply means "shorter".

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I'm hoping "much lesser" simply means "shorter".

That goes without saying. Zucc had a very rough season with the Rangers last year. He did not take being on the block well and it affected his play.

He was 3 years older last season then Kreider is now (28 vs 31), less than half the goals (23 vs 11) and none of the attributes Kreider has.

Not to mention Zucc wasnt the top target last year at the deadline (Stone/Hayes/Duchane to name a few).

So yes much less of a player in both size and overall value when comparing the two during their respecting deadline seasons.

 

[BB88]

Not saying I agree one way or another but a much lesser player in Zucc got two conditional 1sts last year.....

He also wasnt the top rental on the market last season either.

There’s a massive difference when you add a teams best prospect on top of those.

How many UFA’s bring that back?

and in Bostons Café they really need to find that 2nd line W, longterm solution which adds more value to the condition