Confirmed with Link: Kreider extended 7 years, AAV approximately $6.5MM

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  1. Hire Sather He Is Our Star

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    It's not performance based at all, no contracts are after ELCs.

    He will get every penny of his deal if he never plays another game.
     
  2. Hunter Gathers Lunch is served.

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    The limited NTC is probably why we went to 7 years.

    I bet that we offered 6 with a NMC and that he wanted 7 so we got a bit from him to get to that 7.
     
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    I liked it very much but as of now I reserve my Rangers "Love Category" to signing Panarin.
     
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    Well, not exactly. There are 2 types of contracts, aside from ELCs, that can contain a performance bonus.

    - 35+ contracts
    - 1-year contracts for players coming off serious injuries
     
  5. Mac n Gs Gorton plz

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    I'm still iffy on the term of the deal, but I'd lean more towards "indifferent" than "don't like" now that I've seen the structure of the contract. Getting the AAV to $6.5M is definitely beneficial.

    Hopefully this helps set some precedent for Mika in a few years to take a slightly more team-friendly deal.
     
  6. mulli25 Registered User

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    I believe you're the one missing my point here.

    Yes, there's a way out in 5-7 years if the wheels absolutely fall off. What about the more realistic case, where the deal is bad-but-not-horrific? What if he plays 68 games in year 5 and puts up 36 points? Are they buying him out?

    You're acting like this is a 5 year deal that just looks like a 7 year deal on paper. This is a seven year deal that we're stuck with unless its an unmitigated disaster.
     
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  7. Irishguy42 Mr. Preachy

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    Agreed. $11.5M instead of $12M.
     
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    In hindsight, I don't think they were ever going to trade Kreider without getting back an unrealistic return.

    Yet that threat was the only leverage they had to have him both take a slight discount and get some breaks on clauses and contract structure. I think had he stuck at 7x7 full no movement clause, with more buyout protection, the Rangers still would have signed him.

    What to me that says about the Rangers is they have flipped the switch to go for it mode. I would not be surprised to see the picks/prospects/youth for vets thing coming if and when they can fit that under the cap.
     
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    I would be pretty surprised. We just traded a vet for a 1st rounder, for example. This team appears ready to continue building from within and won't be trading cheap assets for veterans.
     
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    I do not think they use that pick to draft unless it ends up early. More to trade for something a little more developed. Maybe not a vet, yet something that is in the NHL, if they can fit it under the cap.

    The Jets 1st and Pionk for Trouba kind of thing.
     
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    Yeah, but that's fine. Young NHL players are obviously good to trade for :)
     
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    Of course yet this time they have less cap space to operate with, so someone is going to have to go if the return is anything like an 8M cap hit.
     
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    I think a lot of the value Kreider brings isn't always apparent on the scoresheet. For an example look no further than the go-ahead, Fox goal.
     
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    Yes.

    Screening the goalie and/or otherwise occupying the defenders doesn't show up in the stats just like "boxing out" in basketball.
     
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    Let's all recall. You need a FRANCHISE center. Like Ryan O'Reilly. If you want to win the Cup, can't do it with Zibanejad being your #1. He is far better off as the center behind the center.
     
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  16. JT Kreider FIRE GORDIE CLARK

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    I still stand behind that Zibanejad is not on the level of past Cup winning centers, last night does not change that.
     
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    Then no offense, but you are being obtuse.

    You would honestly take Ryan O'Reilly or Backstrom ahead of him? Or Kopitar? 2015 Toews?

    Aside from Crosby, please tell me who you are taking ahead?
     
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    That's seriously a hot take. If Mika can produce anywhere near this seasons level for the next few years, he's absolutely one of the best centers in the league.

    He's a defensive stud out there, and his offense has skyrocketed.
     
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  19. JT Kreider FIRE GORDIE CLARK

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    I take all of them excluding Backstrom. 2009 Crosby, 2010 Toews, 2011 Bergeron, 2012 Kopitar, 2013 Toews, 2014 Kopitar, 2015 Toews, 2016 Crosby, 2017 Crosby, 2019 O'Reilly.

    But more importantly, they also had Malkin, Richards, Krejci, Kuznetsov, Carter, Schenn behind them. That's also the problem, the depth behind him.

    Exclude 2015 Toews but he also had a peak absolute top of his game Keith which we will probably never have either.

    They all have a careers worth of elite play, not just a season and a half of sample size.
     
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  20. Edge Kris King's Ghost

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    I feel like there are players we hedge on, and it makes sense to take that approach.

    Zibanejad from about February 2018 until now just isn't one of those guys for me.

    What he's doing this season only cements my belief.
     
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    you are right last night doesn't change that, it just re-enforces the fact that you were wrong to begin with :naughty:
     
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    If you are holding out for Crosby, you may be waiting for a long, long time. There is a reason that generational players come along, well once in a generation. That aside, if this is who ZBad is, I would take him over every other person on that list.
    That is true, but not the debate. Let's not go strawman here, shall we? Your point was that ZBad is the guy who should be behind one of these type of players. No one is arguing depth.
    Also not the debate. And if you are talking offensively, allow me to point you in the direction of what one Tony DeAngelo is currently doing.
    So now we are talking about judging with the benefit of hindsight over the course of this career? In which case your argument can solely be argued after another 5-6 years. In which case, why bring it up now?
     
  23. JT Kreider FIRE GORDIE CLARK

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    If you backtrack to my OP, it was actually a response about how we are lacking in the type of elite talent necessary if the "rebuild is over". We have Zibanejad and Panarin but still a number of key components short.
     
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    OliverDobson straight up throwing out hot takes in this thread like candy on Halloween.
     
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    That does not change that your point is that teams do not with with a center like ZBad unless he is a second line center. Or your viewpoint that Ryan O'Reilly is better.

    That the team needs depth is a different discussion.
     

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