Kraken defense vs Leaf defense which is better?

[Stinger8]

Right now the Kraken defense looks like this (it may get better??)

Giordano Oleksiak

Dunn Larson

Soucy Fleury

If they can improve upon the 3rd pairing I am not sure which is better. What say you

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[hamzarocks]

Leafs defense is better

Rielly > Giordano
Brodie > Oleksiak
Muzzin > Dunn
Holl <= Larsson
Soucy = Dermott
Fleury (Cale) = Lilijgren
Fleury Hayden = Sandin

We are cleary better at the top end, and Lilijgren and Sandin have a clear higher ceiling than both Fleury brothers.

Only holl is worse than Larsson and Soucy is about equal with dermott when he gets 16ish minutes a night

 

[Menzinger]

The Leafs top 3 is definitely better.

I like Soucy in the bottom pairing, but don't think it's a huge advantage over what the Leafs will likely field.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Leafs, easily.

Muzz and Brodie tip the scales.

 

[TheScandal89]

Our Top 4 is pretty good its our bottom pairing guys as of right now that might cause problems. They are very young, inexperienced and well, soft. Brodie was a huge addition to fill out the top 4, I thought he was great.

 

[CatchyTune]

Leafs, easily. All of Rielly/Brodie/Muzzin are better than anyone they drafted.

 

[IPS]

Leaf defense hands down.

 

[justashadowof]

Seattle's defense depth is enviable but no one on that defense is a stud any longer. Probably still better than half of the league. I've got no serious issue with the make up of the Leafs' defense. I think they're a perfectly competent NHL defense and aren't the problem with the team's playoff egg laying other than Muzzin may not be durable enough any longer.

 

[ottomaddox]

Who would win in a fist fight?

 

[ACC1224]

Leafs should have made a move for Dunn.
Kraken are in the other conference so not too worried how the Leafs stack up against them.

 

[The Podium]

Leafs should have made a move for Dunn.
Kraken are in the other conference so not too worried how the Leafs stack up against them.

Dunn has been bad for a couple years now. Essentially another Dermott.

If anything Lauzon or Soucy would be good targets

 

[HarryLime]

Paper champs. Leafs EASILY over Habs. Never gets old.

 

[Papi 4 Hart]

Well if we didn't protect Holl our D would be closer to theirs. But we are among the top 5 blue lines in the league.

 

[nuck]

Right now the Kraken defense looks like this (it may get better??)

Giordano Oleksiak

Dunn Larson

Soucy Fleury

If they can improve upon the 3rd pairing I am not sure which is better. What say you

Not sure how much Gio has left in the tank. If the forwards play a conservative style and the D don't have to babysit them he could be okay, and maybe even solid. Oleksiak had not played more than 16:13 a night in Dallas until last season so he is a bit of a question mark and should not be top pairing. Of that group of 6 only Larsson is a right shot so somebody is moving to their off side. Larsson was pretty good last season but not good the 2 years before. If he gets banged up at all he isn't effective because that is a big part of his game.

The Leafs D seems quite a bit better but the Kraken group might be playoff capable if things go right. Their avoidance of Domi and Tarasenko in the X draft means the forwards are not so impressive unless they can coax in a couple of high profile UFAs but who knows?

 

[The Podium]

They are not

 

[Joel Ward]

Rielly > Giordano
Brodie > Oleksiak
Muzzin > Larsson

The rest are probably a wash but Sandin and Dermott are younger and likely have more potential.

 

[Stephen]

Kraken defense isn’t better but it’s a great store of trade deadline value since it’s basically a one stop shop for players you’d see on the Lightning, Canadiens and Stars runs to the finals the past 2 years.

 

[OVO16]

On paper, the leafs.

In the Playoffs, the Krakens. They built it for it more

 

[francis246]

Leafs defense is better

Rielly > Giordano
Brodie > Oleksiak
Muzzin > Dunn
Holl <= Larsson
Soucy = Dermott
Fleury (Cale) = Lilijgren
Fleury Hayden = Sandin

We are cleary better at the top end, and Lilijgren and Sandin have a clear higher ceiling than both Fleury brothers.

Only holl is worse than Larsson and Soucy is about equal with dermott when he gets 16ish minutes a night

Haydn Fluery is better than Sandin and Cale Fluery is way better than Liljegren

 

[Tairy Greene]

Leafs defense is better. I think our defense is underrated.

 

[Gallagbi]

Seattle should have a deeper team at all positions than most, but lack the high-end talent. It's how the expansion draft it setup.

That's basically how their D compares to Toronto, and it's Seattle's strongest position IMO.

 

[Buds17]

Seattle selected a good blueline via the E.D and it's the strongest part of their team. I'd still take the Leaf blueline though.

 

[Dreakmur]

Leafs defense is better

Rielly > Giordano
Brodie > Oleksiak
Muzzin > Dunn
Holl <= Larsson
Soucy = Dermott
Fleury (Cale) = Lilijgren
Fleury Hayden = Sandin

We are cleary better at the top end, and Lilijgren and Sandin have a clear higher ceiling than both Fleury brothers.

Only holl is worse than Larsson and Soucy is about equal with dermott when he gets 16ish minutes a night

I think Haydn Fleury will finally get a chance to play and show he's a good top-4 guy. I like him better than Holl.

 

[hamzarocks]

Haydn Fluery is better than Sandin and Cale Fluery is way better than Liljegren

Cale Fleury probably isn't better than Lilijgren rn

He didn't play a single game in 2021 for the Habs.

In 2020 he was force fed minutes due to glaring weakness for the Habs at RHD and only had 1 pt in 41 games playing around 14.5 minutes a game

Lilijgren was better at the AHL level but never really got a shot at the NHL level until this upcoming season.

Lilijgren should be similar to dermott and provide us with good play in sheltered minutes.

 

[francis246]

Cale Fleury probably isn't better than Lilijgren rn

He didn't play a single game in 2021 for the Habs.

In 2020 he was force fed minutes due to glaring weakness for the Habs at RHD and only had 1 pt in 41 games playing around 14.5 minutes a game

Lilijgren was better at the AHL level but never really got a shot at the NHL level until this upcoming season.

Lilijgren should be similar to dermott and provide us with good play in sheltered minutes.

Cale Fluery is a stay at home defenseman. He isn’t an offensive guy. And he wasn’t force fed minutes in 2019-20. He made the team out of camp, he earned it. He’s played more games than Liljegren at the NHL level. Don’t get me wrong Liljegren is an offensive guy and can put up numbers but Cale Fluery is way better defensively