Kotkaniemi vs Puljujarvi?

[GrandmaCookie]

Two finnish U23 players top 4 at the draft, posting similar number this season (point wise). Two big guy. Both kinda have been disappointing compared to the hype surrounding them at their draft.

Who do you take on your team going forward?


2020-2021
Puljujarvi:

22GP

6G

3A

9P

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Kotkaniemi:

20GP

2G

7A

9P

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Career

Puljujarvi:

161GP

23G

23A

46P (0.286pts/game)

[TFOOT] [/TFOOT]

Kotkaniemi:

135GP

19G

32A

51P (0.377pts/game)

[TFOOT] [/TFOOT]

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[BigDaddyLurch]

Kotkaniemi is two years younger and a centre...of the two, I'm glad the Habs have him...

 

[GrandmaCookie]

Kotkaniemi is two years younger and a centre...of the two, I'm glad the Habs have him...

Fair point. I would assume they have similar value trade wise though? Maybe slight edge to Kotkaniemi.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Fair point. I would assume they have similar value trade wise though? Maybe slight edge to Kotkaniemi.

Again, Kotkaniemi is two years the younger and is a centre...his value would be a fair bit more than Poolparty...

 

[EXTRAS]

Fair point. I would assume they have similar value trade wise though? Maybe slight edge to Kotkaniemi.

Gotta think kotkaniemi still has some fairly good value...still super young. He's 20... most guys aren't playing in the NHL at that age. Barkov only put up a .5 ppg in his second year. Kotka putting up about that now, but in his 3rd year. I'd give it this season and even next season before I'd consider his value to start tanking.

Doubt poolparty has much at all.

 

[Critical13]

Gotta think kotkaniemi still has some fairly good value...still super young. He's 20... most guys aren't playing in the NHL at that age. Barkov only put up a .5 ppg in his second year. Kotka putting up about that now, but in his 3rd year. I'd give it this season and even next season before I'd consider his value to start tanking.

Doubt poolparty has much at all.

Strangely, I think Poolparty's value is only going up. To me he looks quite good this year. I don't really see a value gap between him and Kotkaniemi. Kotkaniemi is a C but doesn't play defence well enough to consider that added value in my opinion.

 

[Critical13]

Again, Kotkaniemi is two years the younger and is a centre...his value would be a fair bit more than Poolparty...

Being a centre is only added value if you can create value from the position. I would argue that Kotkaniemi is neither a great play driver, or a great defender. I don't see top 6 C potential there, in fact I think he would make an excellent winger if Montreal had better C depth.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Neither

 

[Spirit of 67]

Koko

 

[Michael HOMERUNing]

KK

 

[EXTRAS]

Strangely, I think Poolparty's value is only going up. To me he looks quite good this year. I don't really see a value gap between him and Kotkaniemi. Kotkaniemi is a C but doesn't play defence well enough to consider that added value in my opinion.

Poolpartys value is going up. Still not much tho.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Puljujarvi is older and he's playing with a guy named McDavid...

 

[Nick Slafkofield]

@Mrb1p I would like to know your opinion on that

 

[Canovin]

KK has more value but based on the eye test, Pulju looks slightly better right now.

It'll take awhile for Pulju to erase those disappointing seasons

 

[Mrb1p]

You can tell people actually dont watch any other team. Kotkaniemi disappointing, Kotkaniemi not being good defensively.

Sigh.

 

[TopChedder]

KK is the correct choice. He is younger and is a C. Pulju is still disappointing and watching him the last two games against the Leafs you can see he lacks hockey IQ. He has what 8 points and is playing with the best player on the planet?

Could he get better? Sure. Is he playing better than when he first arrived in the league? Sure. The bar wasn't exactly set high.

 

[ESH]

Being a centre is only added value if you can create value from the position.

I wish more people would realize this. Being a center isn’t just inherently more valuable. A better player is still a better player.

 

[Mrb1p]

I wish more people would realize this. Being a center isn’t just inherently more valuable. A better player is still a better player.

Good, but in this case Kotkaniemi is better all over the board, plays the better position and is younger.

 

[ESH]

Good, but in this case Kotkaniemi is better all over the board, plays the better position and is younger.

It’s like you just quoted me without even reading what I said

 

[Mrb1p]

It’s like you just quoted me without even reading what I said

Theres value attached to position

 

[A Loyal Dog]

It depends who you ask. Oiler fans and anti-Hab (Leafs, Sens) fans will pick Puljujarvi, while everyone else would pick Kotkaniemi.

 

[Crabapple]

I keep the winger for the Oilers. No problem with Kotkaniemi winning the poll though, I'd say he's more valuable right now.

 

[ESH]

Theres value attached to position

Only if a center is actually good at the things that you think makes a center more valuable. It’s also not exactly fair to say that all centers have the same responsibilities. Lots of centers have wingers that take on extra defensive responsibilities. It also ignores that a winger might bring extra value from good play on the forecheck or pressuring defensemen at the point.

 

[Stive Morgan]

Both have been disappointing but Kotkaniemi is better and also has a higher chance of succeeding with the Habs than Pulju does with the Oilers.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

What is this, a handsome contest?