Proposal: Konecny to Vancouver

[F A N]

Not really Garland drives play and is getting better while Koency has stagnated and doesn't drive play like he used to. Also Koency has had much better players to play with throughout his career. His best seasons came when he was playing Giroux and Couturier.

Yep. Garland has outproduced Konecny the past two seasons in both goals and points and he has a better contract.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

i'll do it based on the inevitable overpayment Boeser is gonna get

 

[Tomatoes11]

Terrible idea.

1. No cap back if possible.

2. If we must take cap back. Young RHD with upside to be Hughes long term stud partner.

Last thing we need is another forward that might not have any ceiling left at 5.5. We can just keep Garland at 5 if we must have a 5 million dollar luxury( meaning not a piece we need) forward. Right now ep , miller, Horvat, garland, podz, and hogz is more that good enough top 6 for a non contending team. Pearson too if you want to stretch. Yotes top line Center is waiver lifer Travis Boyd for example.

We will be fine without Boeser and just some picks and prospects in his place.

I think dim has poisoned this fan base. Everyone we trade out doesn’t need to be immediately replaced dim Jim style. Just hope klimovich or karlsson replaces him eventually or get some more picks that might. That’s how teams should operate. Money ball is a real thing in sports not just a Gillis thing.

Good thing Alvin mentioned that he can’t signed everyone for crazy money.

 

[Yultron]

I can see Chuck Fletcher actually doing this . And I could see us getting a 3rd round pick also

 

[HockeyWooot]

I don’t hate it but Boeser should return a dman based on needs.

I like Konecny, this would be a fair change of scenery swap.

 

[me2]

Not really Garland drives play and is getting better while Koency has stagnated and doesn't drive play like he used to. Also Koency has had much better players to play with throughout his career. His best seasons came when he was playing Giroux and Couturier.

Garland hasn't evolved much, he's been the same player for the last two years.

 

[andora]

So to me, trading Boeser for Konecny just seems like a sideways change things up move rather than try and change the makeup of the team.

With all do respect these two players could not be more different, and adding konecny and how he can play in my opinion can change the complexion of a team

Garland has a great shift and annoys everyone then on comes boeser. And to be honest boeser did very little this year to help sustain flow in a game, plays would die with him

Now garland has that shift and heads off and on comes konecny, who could provide the same in yoir face shift that garland does

Speed on the wings is very important but speed with a mixture of skill and physical play is so critical - you can start structuring you lines in that you can hit a team in waves

Boeser unfortunately looks like he can just get into spots and hopefully have enough time to get a shot off

 

[F A N]

With all do respect these two players could not be more different, and adding konecny and how he can play in my opinion can change the complexion of a team

Garland has a great shift and annoys everyone then on comes boeser. And to be honest boeser did very little this year to help sustain flow in a game, plays would die with him

Now garland has that shift and heads off and on comes konecny, who could provide the same in yoir face shift that garland does

Speed on the wings is very important but speed with a mixture of skill and physical play is so critical - you can start structuring you lines in that you can hit a team in waves

Boeser unfortunately looks like he can just get into spots and hopefully have enough time to get a shot off

I'm not saying that they are similar players. Like I said, the biggest reason to move Boeser is that he's not worth what it takes to re-sign him. The solution isn't to trade him for a player who isn't worth his contract. Obviously if the Flyers add enough to the deal then it's a different discussion and I do think the Flyers need to add here.

Like I said, I like Konecny, but he was on pace for 18 goals last season and 16 goals this season. In fact, since the playin/bubble playoffs he has had trouble scoring goals. He does bring speed on the wing but he's hardly a consistent "in your face" force out there, at least not in the past two seasons. Sure you want to be able to hit a team in waves and we have Garland, Hoglander, and Podkolzin who can drive play, but Boeser brings a dimension that these guys (unless Pods continues to blossom into a high end scorer) and Konecny do not.

 

[strattonius]

Konecny isn't big but he's a feisty winger and plays bigger than his size. Also, I wouldn't take his numbers as an indication he's stagnated - he's playing on a completely disjointed team this year. Konecny is a considerable player upgrade to Boeser just not sure if he's the fit moving forward.

 

[mlse2kk]

Terrible idea.

1. No cap back if possible.

2. If we must take cap back. Young RHD with upside to be Hughes long term stud partner.

Last thing we need is another forward that might not have any ceiling left at 5.5. We can just keep Garland at 5 if we must have a 5 million dollar luxury( meaning not a piece we need) forward. Right now ep , miller, Horvat, garland, podz, and hogz is more that good enough top 6 for a non contending team. Pearson too if you want to stretch. Yotes top line Center is waiver lifer Travis Boyd for example.

We will be fine without Boeser and just some picks and prospects in his place.

I think dim has poisoned this fan base. Everyone we trade out doesn’t need to be immediately replaced dim Jim style. Just hope klimovich or karlsson replaces him eventually or get some more picks that might. That’s how teams should operate. Money ball is a real thing in sports not just a Gillis thing.

Good thing Alvin mentioned that he can’t signed everyone for crazy money.

Fair enough, RHD is certainly our most pressing need long term. Perhaps the Boeser/Marino rumours that were suggested earlier this year could be looked at again in the off-season, but it would have to be a sign and trade type of deal I would think.

Boeser is a bit like Patrik Laine without the crazy hype and draft pedigree IMO: an excellent one-shot scorer with average footspeed and inconsistent play. Tons of talent that always leaves you wanting more. Sure, there's still time left for both of them to improve as they're still young, but it's risky in the sense that you may be overpaying considerably for 'potential'. If the demands are anything north of 8m per, it's time to move on.

 

[andora]

I'm not saying that they are similar players. Like I said, the biggest reason to move Boeser is that he's not worth what it takes to re-sign him. The solution isn't to trade him for a player who isn't worth his contract. Obviously if the Flyers add enough to the deal then it's a different discussion and I do think the Flyers need to add here.

Like I said, I like Konecny, but he was on pace for 18 goals last season and 16 goals this season. In fact, since the playin/bubble playoffs he has had trouble scoring goals. He does bring speed on the wing but he's hardly a consistent "in your face" force out there, at least not in the past two seasons. Sure you want to be able to hit a team in waves and we have Garland, Hoglander, and Podkolzin who can drive play, but Boeser brings a dimension that these guys (unless Pods continues to blossom into a high end scorer) and Konecny do not.

I wanted to come back to this once the season finished (and i remembered to) - but regarding worth his contract.. I believe Konecny's contract is fine, relative to his production. i grabbed a quick list of forwards between the 50-55 point range this season and highlighted the wingers that can loosely compare to him (and when contracts were signed) - his contract looks fairly decent for a middle six productive winger.

His 'intangibles' and style are a bonus when you put up points - and playing in philadelphia this season can't have been easy for any player that feeds off winning and passion to motivate and play with an edge

PLAYER	TEAM	AGE	POS	GP	G	A	P	P/GP	+/-	Sh	Sh%	TOI	EXPIRY	CAP HIT	SALARY
104. Carter Verhaeghe	FLA	25	LW, C	78	24	31	55	0.71	24	167	0.14	16:03	RFA	$1,000,000	$1,100,000
105. Nikolaj Ehlers	WPG	25	RW, LW	62	28	27	55	0.89	18	245	0.11	18:04	UFA	$6,000,000	$6,500,000
106. Andrew Mangiapane	CGY	25	LW, RW	82	35	20	55	0.67	20	185	0.19	15:43	RFA	$2,425,000	$2,450,000
107. Joshua Norris	OTT	22	C	66	35	20	55	0.83	-7	172	0.2	18:34	RFA	$925,000	$925,000
109. Ryan Strome	NYR	27	C, RW	74	21	33	54	0.73	15	161	0.13	18:19	UFA	$4,500,000	$5,000,000
110. Adrian Kempe	LAK	24	LW, RW	78	35	19	54	0.69	-2	247	0.14	18:35	RFA	$2,000,000	$2,500,000
111. Zach Hyman	EDM	29	LW, RW	76	27	27	54	0.71	-9	213	0.13	19:27	UFA	$5,500,000	$2,550,000
112. Gustav Nyquist	CBJ	31	RW, LW	82	18	35	53	0.65	-12	122	0.15	17:50	UFA	$5,500,000	$6,000,000
113. Andrew Copp	NYR	26	LW, RW, C	72	21	32	53	0.74	15	183	0.11	19:10	UFA	$3,640,000	$3,640,000
115. Phil Kessel	ARI	33	RW	82	8	44	52	0.63	-24	175	0.05	16:40	UFA	$8,000,000	$6,000,000
116. Valeri Nichushkin	COL	26	LW, RW	62	25	27	52	0.84	21	180	0.14	19:01	UFA	$2,500,000	$2,800,000
117. Tom Wilson	WSH	27	RW	78	24	28	52	0.67	13	151	0.16	18:34	UFA	$5,166,666	$6,100,000
119. Bo Horvat	VAN	26	C	70	31	21	52	0.74	3	194	0.16	19:30	UFA	$5,500,000	$5,775,000
120. Travis Konecny	PHI	24	RW, LW	79	16	36	52	0.66	-23	220	0.07	17:36	UFA	$5,500,000	$5,250,000
121. Conor Garland	VAN	25	RW, LW	77	19	33	52	0.68	18	203	0.09	16:24	UFA	$4,950,000	$3,750,000
122. Phillip Danault	LAK	28	C	79	27	24	51	0.65	14	194	0.14	18:07	UFA	$5,500,000	$4,000,000
123. Vincent Trocheck	CAR	27	C, RW	81	21	30	51	0.63	21	168	0.13	17:52	UFA	$4,750,000	$6,250,000
127. Alexander Kerfoot	TOR	26	LW, C	82	13	38	51	0.62	19	117	0.11	15:12	UFA	$3,500,000	$2,700,000
129. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins	EDM	28	LW, C	63	11	39	50	0.79	3	154	0.07	19:19	UFA	$5,125,000	$5,000,000
130. Cam Atkinson	PHI	32	RW, LW	73	23	27	50	0.68	-2	215	0.11	18:14	UFA	$5,875,000	$5,275,000
131. Jared McCann	SEA	25	C, LW	74	27	23	50	0.68	-26	199	0.14	16:08	RFA	$2,940,000	$3,380,000

my highlighted players didn't transfer - so i highlighted Ehlers (noted games played is less this year), hyman, nyquist, wilson, garland, nugent hopkins (half winger) and atkinson

 

[StreetHawk]

If the Canucks are trading Boeser, they absolutely have to get a d-man coming back. I don't really see Konecny being anywhere near equal value as far as the Canucks are concerned.

He'd join a long list of Canucks players who are 5'10" or under. They need a lot more size up-front and more blueline depth, in that order.

Sometimes you can’t do a deal when you get what you want. May need to have worked the phone so that you have multiple moves at the ready once you complete one deal.

These direct one for ones like Jones for Johansen unlikely to be there.

Therefore trade for the best asset you can get. Then either move that piece or something else that you have to fill what you desire.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

If the Canucks add a Konecny-sized contract to the team this off-season it will be for a top 4 defenseman or matchup center, not a one-dimensional undersized winger.

 

[Yultron]

Add in a 2nd from Philly and absolutely

 

[Hit the post]

Really don’t see the appeal for Konecny…several posters seem to really like him but I find fun extremely overrated and overpaid.

Just what I would've expected to hear from from Commander Riker, why do you even watch hockey huh?

 

[Diamonddog01]

I need to use this clip more often haha

 

[tyhee]

philly should not do this deal and vancouver absolutely should. so i'd add a prospect (woo? rathbone? anyone outside klimovich, maybe) to make it happen tbh

I agree completely that Philly shouldn't do the deal and Vancouver should. Imo that is true regardless of whether or not Konecny is the perfect fit, regardless of which is the better player and even if the Canucks would then intend to flip Konecny for a different type of player.

I don't think adding Woo, Rathbone or Klimovich should be enough to make the proposal acceptable to the Flyers. The contractual situations are so vastly different that treating their trade values as being similar would imo be a mistake on the part of the Flyers.

 

[MS]

There's a legitimate argument that literally giving Boeser away for nothing would be better than trading him for Konecny.

 

[sting101]

Konecny makes no sense given team needs. The only way i would entertain it is if Garland wanted out and they wanted to attach a draft pick

 

[Szechwan]

Really don’t see the appeal for Konecny…several posters seem to really like him but I find fun extremely overrated and overpaid.

Agreed, I don't see it either. Are these people just pushing for it because he's Horvat's cousin?

 

[Hoglander]

Interesting idea, but I would like to see Boeser given another chance to get back on track. If all is right with his health and his off ice family stuff, 30 goals/70 points give or take, isn't out of the question. Plus he seems really well liked by the rest of the young core.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If the Canucks add a Konecny-sized contract to the team this off-season it will be for a top 4 defenseman or matchup center, not a one-dimensional undersized winger.

Really really depends on what happens with Miller, and what the return is if we deal him. That youngish top 4 RD we need is a lot more likely to come from that deal.
Konecny, like Garland (but less so) got most of his points 5 vs 5. He had 41 ES pts.
ES pts:
Miller- 48
Garland- 47
Konecny 41
Petey- 29
Pearson- 26
Bo- 25
Podz- 23
Boeser- 20

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I'd be 100% in on Konecny at the right price. If that's Boeser we should really consider it.

 

[Luck 6]

I don’t see why we would do this. It seems lateral at best, I actually like Boeser more.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

I don’t see why we would do this. It seems lateral at best, I actually like Boeser more.

You could save yourself $500k-2M/ season for similar output… Konecny has 3yrs left @ $5.5M. We all know Boeser will resign for at least $6-7.5M per.

With that said, it is a lateral move skill wise at best. Don’t see flyers adding anything additional.