lakai17
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Kochetkov stops a Penalty shot with the poke check.
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KevinRedkey
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I don't really care about any of this, but I am genuinely curious if a goalie is technically allowed to blatantly 'poke' a players skates during a penalty shot?
Even if it wasn't allowed - how do you even penalize it? Just redo the shot entirely? What if he keeps doing it? Lol
Either way - it's funny to see how many people's skin Brady has gotten under already. Hypertension is going to be a problem on HF soon.
Even if it wasn't allowed - how do you even penalize it? Just redo the shot entirely? What if he keeps doing it? Lol
Either way - it's funny to see how many people's skin Brady has gotten under already. Hypertension is going to be a problem on HF soon.
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It used to be a trip was tolerated if you got puck first, they've now done away with the rule. Is it different for goalies?
Golden_Jet
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rule 24.4 says any infraction by the goalkeeper, worthy of a minor penalty results in a do over shot.
Second violation is a misconduct, third violation is a game misconduct
I doubt it, refs just missed it as it happened so fast. I don’t think anyone in the building expected Koch to come out like that, including the refs
Derailed75
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Its pretty close but it looks to me the puck is bouncing off of his pad before the stick hits his skate. At least in the behind the net camera angle
1) The penalty call itself is weak. There was no 'throw' of the stick, he dropped it. Whether he did that moreso to impede the take to the net or to free up his blocker who knows. You do see goalies drop their stick when they have to push hard and try and stop a shot blocker side to give them more mobility and freedom with the blocker.
2) As for the penalty shot itself....No zebra is making a trip call on a PS unless the goalie is beat and literally hacks at a dudes legs to take him down. Trying to argue letter of the law is stupid. Clean play to me, the poke check is as much a ploy to take away the time and space from Tkachuk which he did, Brady should have been more aware.
2) As for the penalty shot itself....No zebra is making a trip call on a PS unless the goalie is beat and literally hacks at a dudes legs to take him down. Trying to argue letter of the law is stupid. Clean play to me, the poke check is as much a ploy to take away the time and space from Tkachuk which he did, Brady should have been more aware.
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Rule 24.4 on penalty shots explains it, if the goalie commits a minor infraction (ie a trip) The player gets a do over.
The purpose of that poke check was to not allow Tkachuk to crossover to his right and backhand side.
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The purpose of a poke check is to go for the puck. Ya this was the opposite side the puck was, in relation to his body, puck was 4 feet from where the stick takes out BT skates.
As in penalty shot rule 24.4 he gets a do over, the refs just blew the call, that’s all.
I don't know how to respond other than repeating what i said. He's putting his stick there to deny a move to the backhand, if he fishes for the puck and misses it's an easy pull to the backhand goal.
If you watch this video and note the goalie's stick position you'll see that in a lot of them (including the 1st one) they aren't actually going for the puck, they are sticking out the stick to deny the player from crossing over to their other side.
As for it being a trip, I don't agree at all. The threshold for that on a PS/shoot out has to be high. You have to straight up take a guys skate or legs out imo because ive never seen such a call in my lifetime. This was him putting his stick in an area to take away space and an option (pull to the backhand) and with the help of Tkachuk's own momentum he skates into it as much as the goalie took him down.
MikeyMike01
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Yes, but what that depends on what is/is not tripping.
Tripping includes that extremely nebulous exception clause.
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Which diving poke checks weren’t a play for the puck in that video? The only one I saw was Jonas Gustavsson and even then he didn’t take out the feet. The rest of them the goalie makes a play for the puck and I think all of them were successful, it’s timed with a player moving the puck to the backhand, which never happened with Tkachuk. It was a mistimed poke check.
I honestly don’t care that it was an infraction that was let go, it didn’t matter in that game but what you are saying here isn’t entirely correct. If goaltenders start a trend of going for the feet rather than the puck, the league will clamp down on it.
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Literally the 1st one...only differnece is Belesky actually tried to go backhand but if you watch closely wild goalie lunges with the stick to middle of the ice before the move is made.
If goalies start a trend of doing this, i think players will catch on and get some easy goals.
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Sure, diving poke checks are in large part an anticipation move, goaltenders have to make that move before the puck is brought to the backhand. You look at the Hedberg example it's a perfectly time poke check and stick on puck but he still goes before Michalek brings it to the backhand, it's almost simultaneous with the leg kick.
Kochetkov’s timing is way off on in this instance and Brady never does bring the puck to the backhand.
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bert
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Tell me you never played hockey without telling me you never played hockey.
Anyone that thinks this isnt a penalty does not understand the sport. Puck has to be the initial point of contact. Its right in the rule book. But also common sense if you ever played.
No show Tavares is your captain haha.
You actually watched all of those then said yeah this is the same thing? holy f*** haha.
Brady snapped like he always does.. gets kicked out like he usually does sens lose like they have been doing
C'est la vie
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SlafCaufield
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tkachuk has been touted as this incredible leader yet here is in in year 6 and hasnt even sniffed the playoffs
slybel
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If he gets the puck, I'm all about the goalie poke or aggressive move, I dig it a lot.
But if he doesn't get the puck and gets the skate, it should be a tripping call, this is one of those times for sure.
Still love him standing by it and chirping Tkachuk who has every right to be mad (at the ref for not calling the penalty)
But if he doesn't get the puck and gets the skate, it should be a tripping call, this is one of those times for sure.
Still love him standing by it and chirping Tkachuk who has every right to be mad (at the ref for not calling the penalty)
