Proposal: Kevin Hayes for Brett Pesce+minor add?

[One Winged Angel]

Great trade for Pesce to have AV use him on the 3rd pairing because Girardi has to play too minutes.

Because you know... Possession monster Bobby Orr obviously.

 

[slg1963]

Why do this ? simply wait to sign Shattenkirk next year without giving up anyone .

 

[bernmeister]

Like a moth to a flame.

Looking at total or Avg. TOI for a season when players were in and out of the line-up and guys were moved at the deadline to make your assessment clearly tells me you didn't watch the Canes play and don't know how Pesce was used. Pesce and Slavin hit the line-up after both Wiz and Murphy were injured. For the vast majority of the first half to 2/3rds of the season, the Canes D pairings were: 1) Hainsey-Faulk; 2) Liles-Pesce; 3) Hanifin-Slavin

Hanifin was very sheltered during this phase, as he should have been, but the Canes 2nd pairing was Liles-Pesce. Then, when Faulk got injured, the pairings were: 1) Hainsey-Slavin; 2) Liles-Pesce; 3) Hanifin - Jordan/Murphy

Then, Liles was traded and the pairings were: 1) Hainsey-Slavin, 2) Hanifin-Pesce, 3) Murphy-Jordan

At the end, when Faulk returned, (but wasn't 100%), after Faulk spent a couple of games on the bottom pairing, it was then 1) Slavin-Faulk, 2) Hanifin-Pesce, 3) Hainsey-Murphy.

So as you can see, because of the movement of players, TOI/Avg. TOI is not an accurate measure of where guys were slotted and how they were used. Pesce was on the 2nd pairing for the vast majority of the season with Liles and then Hanifin as his D partner. All of what I've stated above is backed up by Left Wing Lock's Line combinations.

http://leftwinglock.com/line-combin...=carolina-hurricanes&strength=EV&gametype=ALL

The 2nd most common D pairing in Carolina last season was Liles-Pesce and it was the 2nd pairing D.

spot on as to accuracy
strong second pair this instant who can fill in 1st pair no prob immediately, legit 1st pair potential, and well beyond to POSSIBLE premium upside

both Pesce and golden boy Hanifin

Cmon dont be ridicolous. The managment will trade Hayes if they think its a good move no matter what Vesey wants. Im not saying it will happen but its a business not a friendly team playing for fun. Good example is NYR trading both Brass and Hags. Thinking a guy just finishing college will keep the managment from making decisions they think is the best for the team is ridicolous. Vesey is a very solid player but he is not that important...

Timing.

No disputing Brass/Hags and even Zuc in that equation.
But those guys have been here. A while.

Vesey JUST got here.
Relied on our promise, in this case more of a covenant, that he'd have a comfortable landing here, based on familiar faces Kreider and especially best budd Hayes.

After a year or 2, sure, the commitment was honored
no one is joined at the hip indefinitely
but until then, no.