Player Discussion Keith Yandle: Part III

[silverfish]

The pass that sprung Zucc for the go ahead goal? It's going to be a long ****ing time before we see that kind of pass from our D-zone after we trade him.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Who cares about that, we'll get to see Staal watch Marc Staal giveaways more often than we already do.

Problem solved!

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I think its time to figure out a way to keep Yandle.

 

[bl02]

Really been a pleasure watching him play especially since Mcdonagh went down. Unfortunately have a bad feeling if Staal isn't going to be traded then Yandle will be. Maybe considering how poorly he's utilized that may be for the best???

 

[The Gloaming]

Meh, Yandle has had a remarkably healthy career and his style of play ages a lot better than most. Dan Boyle was very effective at age 37 until Lapierre tried to end his career. Defensemen that rely on skating and hockey IQ age the best. Mark Streit is another one who's still going pretty strong. Markov. Campbell. Kaberle lasted a long while. All similar.

Yep. The ironman streak has to count for something. He relies on his smarts more than anything. The skating might fall off in a few years, but he won't be dumb as bricks.

Speaking of Kaberle, I went to Prague recently and caught a game. Prague was playing against Kaberle's team. Looked really slow and couldn't do anything on the PP. Also the home team won 9-2, haha.

 

[Made Dan]

Why do you want Yandle traded so bad?
The Rangers have Boyle coming off the cap....that money can be used to re-sign Yandle...and DG or Staal are moveable....teams still value their grit reputation.

Therefore I want Yandle kept and one or both DG Staal moved.

I doubt there is one person who wants Yandle gone because of his play. It's circumstantial. G/Staal are way bigger anchors than you realize. We're gonna hedge our future on the small chance that we can move one of those terrible contracts? We're a depleted organization right now.

 

[Raspewtin]

Basically none of the well known offensive d-men get teammates as bad as Yandle does.

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

Basically none of the well known offensive d-men get teammates as bad as Yandle does.

And one of the other two players in the quadrant...is also a Ranger.



G and Staal contracts might be the worst move of the 2010s for the franchise.

 

[Vitto79]

And one of the other two players in the quadrant...is also a Ranger.



G and Staal contracts might be the worst move of the 2010s for the franchise.

It's hard cause from they win the cup it's forgiven . I mean dealing vatanen for girardi would be best on paper but that year they likely don't go to the finals

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

And one of the other two players in the quadrant...is also a Ranger.



G and Staal contracts might be the worst move of the 2010s for the franchise.

Worse than trading a lot for a one zone defenseman who didn't fix the power play?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Worse than trading a lot for a one zone defenseman who didn't fix the power play?

the level of facepalm in this post

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

the level of facepalm in this post

So elaborate since it's so mind numbingly obvious. But the explanation can't just be "here is a chart from IMGR."

Note: I'm not happy with Staal or Girardi this year.

 

[Raspewtin]

So elaborate since it's so mind numbingly obvious. But the explanation can't just be "here is a chart from IMGR."

Note: I'm not happy with Staal or Girardi this year.

1) Yandle is consistently the only player on the PP that does anything right other than Brassard. It's not their fault nobody can screen the goalie and Stepan is like the worst PP top 6 forward in history

2) The idea that one skater was going to ever "fix the PP" is simply laughable.

3) Him not "fixing the PP" is such a negative indictment that the fact that he's dramatically improved the Rangers' ability at ES in all three zones is also laughable.

 

[The Gloaming]

Worse than trading a lot for a one zone defenseman who didn't fix the power play?

If Yandle is a one-zone defenseman, does that make Staal a half-time defenseman?

Yandle is better in the defensive zone than the wonder twins dream of being.

 

[MiracleOnSkates]

It sucks because there's literally no moves we can make. We really had such a chance to win a cup with Hank, and pretty much f***ed ourselves with signings. Staal, Girardi and Stepan, not to mention Nash is getting too much and has a NTC so we can't even get rid of him. Oh and we have both Staal and G on NMCs..

As crazy as this sounds, what do you guys think about getting rid of Steps for prospects and keeping Yandle since we may have Buch coming in soon to help out the offense. Then we can get rid of Boyle to help with the Miller, Kreids and Hayes signings.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

1) Yandle is consistently the only player on the PP that does anything right other than Brassard. It's not their fault nobody can screen the goalie and Stepan is like the worst PP top 6 forward in history

In other words, didn't fix the power play

2) The idea that one skater was going to ever "fix the PP" is simply laughable.

In others words, a myopic trade of a lot of assets

3) Him not "fixing the PP" is such a negative indictment that the fact that he's dramatically improved the Rangers' ability at ES in all three zones is also laughable.

The entire team's play has been different this year at so many positions, and Yandle wasn't the turn around [honestly don't know why there has been such major shift]. He requires a massive imbalance of O-zone starts, and he's not an elite defenseman in regard to defense.


I don't think he has brought anywhere as close of a benefit to the team as he was supposed to, and since it's a UFA contract, some team is going to give him a massive over-payment when compared to true contending teams payrolls.

 

[Raspewtin]

It sucks because there's literally no moves we can make. We really had such a chance to win a cup with Hank, and pretty much f***ed ourselves with signings. Staal, Girardi and Stepan, not to mention Nash is getting too much and has a NTC so we can't even get rid of him. Oh and we have both Staal and G on NMCs..

As crazy as this sounds, what do you guys think about getting rid of Steps for prospects and keeping Yandle since we may have Buch coming in soon to help out the offense. Then we can get rid of Boyle to help with the Miller, Kreids and Hayes signings.

Why in the world are we trading Stepan to give Kreider a raise?

Better yet, why trade Stepan anyway? You just open an immediate hole for a top 6 C. At least with Staal/Girardi the team would perform better by simply deleting them. Not the case with especially Stepan and Nash.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

If Yandle is a one-zone defenseman, does that make Staal a half-time defenseman?

Yandle is better in the defensive zone than the wonder twins dream of being.

This year or over the last decade?

If you meant over the last decade, Staal was a lot more effective in the playoffs on the defensive side as Yandle was on the PP last post-season.


And This is hilarious.

 

[MiracleOnSkates]

Why in the world are we trading Stepan to give Kreider a raise?

Better yet, why trade Stepan anyway? You just open an immediate hole for a top 6 C. At least with Staal/Girardi the team would perform better by simply deleting them. Not the case with especially Stepan and Nash.

Trading Stepan for prospects and maybe a C, and we're trading him to open space for Yandle. You're crazy if you think Step taking 6.5m/y is a good contract in any way. he's really not doing THAT much for the team, Yandle has a way larger impact.

Once Yandle is gone it's going to be crazy how worse we're gonna be. Our breakouts suffer tremendously, our PP suffers, everything gets way worse. He's such an offensive asset to the time nevermind how much better he is defensively compared to all the D-men but McD

 

[The Gloaming]

This year or over the last decade?

If you meant over the last decade, Staal was a lot more effective in the playoffs on the defensive side as Yandle was on the PP last post-season.


And This is hilarious.

Over the last three years. Really don't know what 2008 Staal has to do with anything, as he will never be close to that player again.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Over the last three years. Really don't know what 2008 Staal has to do with anything, as he will never be close to that player again.

Well in that regard, Yandle is a better NHL defenseman than Bobby Orr is right now too.

 

[Raspewtin]

In other words, didn't fix the power play

But "fixing the powerplay" is an absurd barometer.

In others words, a myopic trade of a lot of assets

It's a stupid trade considering we seem to have no interest in properly utilizing him, or re-signing him.

The entire team's play has been different this year at so many positions, and Yandle wasn't the turn around [honestly don't know why there has been such major shift]. He requires a massive imbalance of O-zone starts, and he's not an elite defenseman in regard to defense.

I don't think Yandle is "elite" defensively by any stretch of the imagination but he's absolutely got value there, and certainly more than most of his peers. He also doesn't "require" an imbalance of zone starts, it's a product of AV trying to get the most out of him scoring wise. Which wouldn't be the worst thing, if Girardi and Staal had any ability to play hockey in the defensive zone.

And just to entertain the idea that he's poor defensively, he leads the Rangers in relative shot suppression, with Miller right behind him. I take that defense over "good positioning" and shot-blocking any day.

I don't think he has brought anywhere as close of a benefit to the team as he was supposed to, and since it's a UFA contract, some team is going to give him a massive over-payment when compared to true contending teams payrolls.

But that's not a fair indictment. He wasn't going to score 50-60 points getting 17 es minutes a night (playing with the worst teammates of anybody) and a minuscule amount on the PP until very recently. We gave Yandle 24 minutes a night when McDonagh got hurt and he incidentally looked like our best player. That's how you treat elite defensemen. They want to control the game so attempting to pigeon-hole or marginalize their roles goes against what you want from them.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

But "fixing the powerplay" is an absurd barometer.



It's a stupid trade considering we seem to have no interest in properly utilizing him, or re-signing him.




I don't think Yandle is "elite" defensively by any stretch of the imagination but he's absolutely got value there, and certainly more than most of his peers. He also doesn't "require" an imbalance of zone starts, it's a product of AV trying to get the most out of him scoring wise. Which wouldn't be the worst thing, if Girardi and Staal had any ability to play hockey in the defensive zone.

And just to entertain the idea that he's poor defensively, he leads the Rangers in relative shot suppression, with Miller right behind him. I take that defense over "good positioning" and shot-blocking any day.



But that's not a fair indictment. He wasn't going to score 50-60 points getting 17 es minutes a night (playing with the worst teammates of anybody) and a minuscule amount on the PP until very recently. We gave Yandle 24 minutes a night when McDonagh got hurt and he incidentally looked like our best player. That's how you treat elite defensemen. They want to control the game so attempting to pigeon-hole or marginalize their roles goes against what you want from them.

I disagree that he is elite in 3 zones. He's not a backbone defenseman. He is elite in 1 zone, yet he wasn't the answer to our power play. There are 5 guys on that main PP unit. Even if he can't have a 100% contribution, he has provided limited to no relief in that department, and that is why the team really wanted him. Furthermore, the Rangers made the trade when Phoenix was eating some of the salary. While I still don't agree with the assets we traded if we were looking in a vacuum at just the salary, it would be a good deal.

But he isn't fixing our main issue, the special teams. He didn't jump start the power play, he isn't helping the crappy PK, and we will no longer be able to use him with a half-eaten salary.

The Rangers doubled down on him, and tripling down on him will kill this team regardless of the sunk costs or whatever the new stats say.

 

[MiracleOnSkates]

I disagree that he is elite in 3 zones. He's not a backbone defenseman. He is elite in 1 zone, yet he wasn't the answer to our power play. There are 5 guys on that main PP unit. Even if he can't have a 100% contribution, he has provided limited to no relief in that department, and that is why the team really wanted him. Furthermore, the Rangers made the trade when Phoenix was eating some of the salary. While I still don't agree with the assets we traded if we were looking in a vacuum at just the salary, it would be a good deal.

But he isn't fixing our main issue, the special teams. He didn't jump start the power play, he isn't helping the crappy PK, and we will no longer be using him with a half-eaten salary.

The Rangers doubled down on him, and tripling down on him will kill this team regardless of the theory sunk costs or whatever the new stats say.

The team was already killed once Staal and G were offered their contracts, don't kid yourself.

 

[The Gloaming]

Well in that regard, Yandle is a better NHL defenseman than Bobby Orr is right now too.

Bobby Orr is 67 right now. What point are you making here?

Yandle and McDonagh are our best defensemen. Staal and Girardi would certainly be the best defensemen on the Wolfpack.