Kyndig
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Wow you guys turned Kane into the 21st overall pick. Huge props
The pick is for 2019 or 2020 depending on lottery conditions. It could be worse or it could be much better than 21st overall.
Kane Traded to San Jose: 2019 First Round Pick, Cond. 2020 4th Rounder, Daniel O'Regan F
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The pick is for 2019 or 2020 depending on lottery conditions. It could be worse or it could be much better than 21st overall.
Dahlin 2 Eichel
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I liked Kane when he played here but very pleased we got a 1st for him. Best wishes to him in SJ.
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Remember when we were all excited about trading for the Islanders 1st round pick the following year and Murray turned it into Lehner. Good times.
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I don't think the logic of the trade is really all that opaque. Murray wanted to get a goalie that had potential to grow alongside the new core he hoped to assemble, that had the potential to be very good, and that had a significant period of team control remaining. He felt he had insight into Lehner specifically from his time in Ottawa and that elevated him above alternate candidates.
That he missed thet mark and paid a premium to do so isn't really debated. But that's separate from the reasoning behind the trade.
It's the same with the Kane/BOGO trade really. Didn't pay off as we hoped and cost a premium but you could see the logic. At least in terms of BOGO, I'd argue that trade showed poorer judgment.
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Considering the high-end prospect/youngster goalies slung around at that time were all comparable in terms of value -- Jones, Andersen -- it wasn't outside the costs of that market at that time.
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That's a good point, though I think he did end up paying the highest price for any of the goalies that were actually moved in that specific time frame.
I think the think where the value gets skewed to me is: was there need to spend that capital at that specific time vs being more patient (just for another season even) and seeing how things came together (or didn't).
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Never thought the Sharks would be willing to part with that pick for a market priced Kane. Apparently was dead wrong. Going to check in on the Sharks board to see how the news is being taken.
MayDay
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I don't believe in karma.
I want the best result for the Buffalo Sabres, and in this case that means the highest possible draft pick. I have no scruples about rooting for that outcome.
Sometimes one team has to fail for another team to benefit. Everyone (Bills fans at least) were rooting for Baltimore to lose in Week 17 so the Bills could make the playoffs. No one had problems with that or considered it "bad karma" to want Baltimore to fail. I don't see this situation as fundamentally different. It's not like rooting for injuries or anything.
Selanne00008
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Amen, aside of injuries. Chiefs could go to hell last year. Same with Isles and now the Sharks. It's quite fun to have others 1st rounders no matter what the sport. I feel like I have two teams in the same sport, or more like 7 teams including all other teams in the sharks division
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People said don't expect more than a 2nd when everyone was throwing around 'anything less than a top-15 pick is a failure'. Botterill got a 2nd round pick with a chance to upgrade and a meh prospect that has potential still. He did well, and it worked out. Considering there was never a team who offered an unfettered 1st pick, and Kane wasn't doing any favors with his play leading up to the deadline, you have to give the GM props for managing this situation like he did.People on here were telling me we would be lucky to get a 2nd for Kane not too long ago. O'Regan could be a decent player and we got a 1st out of it all the while not having Kane stapled to Eichel anymore.
Too many good things are happening to/for Buffalo lately...it must be the apocalypse! Here comes Lafrenière!
Now that the conditions for the first are secured, what are the conditions for the 4th in 2020?
Who said this?
I thought the general hockey consensus was that E Kane was a top shelf rental available at any time after January and would get at least a 1st+ quality prospect.
How can you be sure no team ever offered a non-conditional 1st rd for Kane? Botterill's not exactly going to come out and say..."by the way back in January the Predators offered me a 1st+prospect, but I thought I could get more so I declined, and ended up getting stuck with the Sharks offer".
The pick turning into a 1st rounder makes this closer to a fair value trade. Based on the deadline market I'd still say 1st + Regan level prospect for Kane was a favorable deal for the Sharks.
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Bob McKenzie was quoting other GM's saying that a 1st+top prospect is a ridiculous price for Kane. I'm not arguing that good rentals don't fetch that, but Kane had his warts and it tanked his value.
Botterill said he took the best offer he got that day and nobody offered up an unconditional 1st. The critique I can't speak to is the one where people said he pulled the trigger too early and would've gotten a better deal if he had waited until the very last minute of the deadline.
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The pick is a 2019 4th, but the Sharks can decide to give us a 2020 3rd if they so choose.
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If that's the case then shouldn't the thread title indicate it's a conditional 2019 4th?
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Bob McKenzie was quoting other GM's saying that a 1st+top prospect is a ridiculous price for Kane
TBF, what I remember being quoted was more just that no team had agreed to the initial ask.
I mean I could have missed a strong reaction from him, but flat out calling it ridiculous seems more out of the Don Cherry school of commentary than a typical Bobby Mac public comment.
(He saves the juicy hot takes for his private email with his buddies in the league office)
TBF, what I remember being quoted was more just that no team had agreed to the initial ask.
I mean I could have missed a strong reaction from him, but flat out calling it ridiculous seems more out of the Don Cherry school of commentary than a typical Bobby Mac public comment.
(He saves the juicy hot takes for his private email with his buddies in the league office)
There were people who openly rooted for islander players to get injured. It was disgusting.
Agreed. Aside from rival fanbases, I don't think I've ever seen a fanbase hate another fanbase more than the Isles fans hated Sabres fans that year.
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It's not like GM's gain anything by keeping the perceived market value low for a guy they want.
