Maybe, I don't hate Leivo. I just don't see him as a core part of a key contributor on the leafs. He's really inconsistent and I get the fourth line arguement but it doesn't hide the fact he's look subpar this season
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Maybe, I don't hate Leivo. I just don't see him as a core part of a key contributor on the leafs. He's really inconsistent and I get the fourth line arguement but it doesn't hide the fact he's look subpar this season
The Podium
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Bozak on the 4th line is a waste when we have Moore or Gauthier who can be just as good if not better in that role. Bozak ships out for assets (now or future), Nylander or Marleau to C if Babcock is comfortable with it (and with Nylander getting more FO opportunities it seems like that transition has begun), Brown move's up the lineup to replace Nylander or Marleau on the wings and Leivo/Kapanen take Brown's spot on the 4th line.
Neither Leivo/Kapanen are expected to replace Bozak, but Brown deserves to be playing higher in the lineup and either of those 2 replaces his spot. Whether or not they are destined to be more than bottom 6 wingers doesnt matter at the moment as either can contribute well in a 4th line role.
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Bingo!
Marleau was brought in for the shut down line to play with Kadri first and for most. He was an upgrade move on Brown for the short term not JVR.The core is in place and it's all about putting talented players on the rather cheep side with upside that one day will play themselves out not by means of not being good enough but too expansive to keep.
That's who Josh Leivo is. That's what this re-sign is all about as JVR will not be re-signed. A lot of you just don't get that this team is being run by a program. Youngsters like Mathews, Nylander, Marner and Reilly who were anointed NHL jobs at very young age is a thing this organization will stay away from and probably wont ever see again. They're going to make a practice of prospects getting right to the wire of being waver claimed before an NHL job is imminent. See Kapanen, See Dermontt. SEE THE DETROIT REDWING OF THE PAST.
Leivo is in an anomaly place in that his spot on the team is held by a UFA to be other wise THEY WOULD HAVE TRADED LEIVO TO FURTHER HIS CAREER, A UFA to be they tried to trade but no dice. This UFA to be doesn't hold the value that many think to get a significant asset in return. People look at his offense and think darn he's good then you watch him play and it's like what does he do? He's gone in a year, can help the team in short term for the PP and score goals his line mates create. They will let him walk at season end gain the much need cap space as he's way too expensive for a PP specialist and this re-signing secures the organization in two ways moving forward. One of which is to continue to operate in a program where youngsters wont get a sniff of NHL full time job right until the wire. The Regardless of camp showing youngsters with years of waver exempts will be AHL bound. The other is that Leivo has the size, hands, skill, talent and contract now that makes sense to surround the core and potentially not miss one bit of JVR on the PP with the added bonus he will compete 5v5 to keep his job.
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I'll preface this by saying I'd rather trade Bozak than have him playing on the 1st line(but I think I want to rade him regardless)
What role is that though? Just because most teams can't afford to roll 4 scoring lines and a typical 4th line is an energy line usually with PKers on it doesn't mean that has to be the role here and Moore or Goat fits better in that role than Bozak. If we shifted Nylander to center, and were willing to take Martin out of the lineup on occasion the 4th line could in theory be Leivo - Bozak - Brown/Kapanen and we could roll 4 scoring lines. If you're plopping Bozak on the 4th line with Martin and Say Sosh as wingers then yes maybe Moore or Goat could be just as effective in the sense than Bozak isn't going to generate much in that situation so his offensive ability is a bit wasted there. But I think he could be effective on a 4th line, potentially even with Martin as the LW if there's just someone else there that isn't dead weight offensively.
But like I said, I'd rather trade him before it comes to that too.
The Podium
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It then becomes a question about what is more valuable, Bozak making the 4th line a bit better offensively for 5-10 minutes a night or any assets recieved in return?
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This guy is nothing special, his only value is that he's saving a good prospect from having to sit out a bunch of games while waiting for injuries. The contract is probably just a thank you for shutting up and sitting there in the pressbox all year.
ShaneFalco
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Right. They're going to take up space on a roster, and hand out a new contract, just to keep someone quiet
ShaneFalco
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In this regime? Who gets keep quiet contracts?
wtf is wrong with people and this dislike towards Leivo? It's weird.....
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He scores goals and is faster this year, big. He's better than Komarov, Bozak, Moore, Hyman.
He’s what? He’s not even close. All the excuses in the world won’t Babcock play him over... well anyone. He’s terrible.
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Yet they just offered him a new contract.
Safe to say Babcock and management don't share your views of the guy
Randy Randerson
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man, it's hard to believe how many "Leaf Fans" want to find the negative in a virtually risk free, potentially high reward situation for the team that they support. If Leivo sucks, we spent one extra year of one contract at a cap hit that won't inhibit us at all. If Leivo pans out closer to what the optimists in the crowd here think he could be, we stopped a valuable asset from walking away for nothing, got a cheap replacement for a guy who we like having but is set to become prohibitively expensive, and probably set up an additional 2-4 years of a Brown/Hyman type cap hit for Leivo that would make a very nice supplementary piece very affordable through the primes of the core players of this team.
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Myopic post, thanks for sharing.
Great signing. We don't have to worry about losing him if he doesn't get the games in and that's a VERY good thing. The rest in pure speculation.
The same can be said about your constant negativity about JVR.
It's a matter of opinion. I'm not a bad leafs fan if I prefer to keep JVR (even though he is statistically better than Leivo in everything except board battles, but nonetheless I digress). & you're not a bad leafs fan for wanting to see what Leivo is.
The thing though, is at this current time there is NO suggestion that Leivo will be better than JVR it's a guessing game. For many of us, it's not worth the risk of moving JVR to see if Leivo can pan out.
I think there's a good chance we can make a deep playoff run and as much as you think JVR isn't going to help us this year, I do. I don't think Leivo's impact will even come close to 20% of JVR's
Myopic post, thanks for sharing.
Great signing. We don't have to worry about losing him if he doesn't get the games in and that's a VERY good thing. The rest in pure speculation.
We are in present time are we not? He hasn't produced. so I should magically assume long term goals are just gonna start popping in for Leivo? I'm not even sure he's guarenteed a top 9 role next year Lmao.
Let's say you get what you want and JVR is moved, No way Leivo gets in the top 9 before Brown and I'd even say Kapenen. He's just not that special IMO
Gary Nylund
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BTW, the post you quoted and were responding to didn't even come close to even suggesting that. Perhaps you should try you know, actually reading posts before you respond to them and make yourself look foolish. I hope that helps, good luck!
Randy Randerson
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constant negativity about JVR? I don't have a bad thing to say about JVR except that he's about to become too expensive to keep
I understand that you don't get statistics, so it must be a bit of an enigma to you why everyone sees potential in Leivo. My hope is that he becomes a viable replacement for JVR, I don't expect him to become an upgrade
I don't know why you think that I believe we should move JVR to let Leivo play, I've never said that and don't believe that. We should move JVR so we don't lose him for nothing - that's the motivation. I'm sure that JVR would help us this year, but the focus shouldn't be on this year, it should be on becoming a sustainable contender. What we would get back for JVR (because he's a very talented scorer - see that postivity) could help us to sustain a contender. So, let's let Leivo play in a scoring role between now and the deadline, and see if we think he can be a replacement. Nothing risked
Gary Nylund
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Interesting (to not say pointlesss/meaningless) question. I am, not sure about you though.
BTW, are you even a Leaf fan? If you are, enjoy the game tonight! If not, um I dunno, whatever.
