Jordan Staal is NOT that good

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  1. NashisCash

    NashisCash Registered User

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    People are seriously talking about taking this kid 1st Overall. There's no way in hell I would even consider him at 1st overall. Sure he has nice bloodlines and sure his older brothers took big steps in their development soon after they were drafted, but this kid just isn't that good. He's a fine player, but I wouldn't even take him top 5, IMO he'll top out as a 50-60 pt player with a good defensive game.

    Some team is going to gamble and really miss with this kid, and wish they picked someone like Backstrom Or Toews.
     
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    If he gets 60 points and plays a good 2 way game he would be worth a top 5 pick(although not top 2), i do agree though that i think he is slightly over rated
     
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    The amount that Staal is overrated is overrated.

    Typing that felt really, really good.
     
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    I'm inclined to agree.
    Great blood lines and very nice all around skill set... but for the most part he's all potential with much of the actual production still missing.

    A nice prospect, and I guy I'd love to have... certainly top 10 but there are 3-4 guys in the draft at least that are clearly better right now and have at least as much apparent raw talent. Personally I'd probably take him around 6-7'th overall.
     
  5. Rise from the Ashes

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    Im thinking Chris Gratton big time.
     
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    Blood line is pretty overrated. How many stars have you seen with siblings who just don't quite match up? It happens all the time. The exceptions are few and far between.
     
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    I'll listen to the scouts over you...and they strongly disagree.
     
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    CSB rankings are unlike ISS, RedLine or McKeens. While those other scouting services use future potential as a factor, their main focus is on how a certain player is performing in the hear and now. CSB, while looking at the here and now, bases much of their rankings on future potential and that is why a player such as Staal is rated before a Toews or Kessel.

    Now in my opinion (if any one really cares :)) Staal certainly has potential but I believe he will be one of those who does not reach what the CSB feels to be his upside. Yes, he is a good skater, uses his size, can handle the puck and has decent hands but, and again in my opinion only, he does not do any of those things in an "elite" manner. He was not as good as his brother at the same age, nor will he be like his brother in the future. What you have here at best is a second line center who will put up 55 - 65 points during his prime.

    Towes, Kessel and even Mueller will put up better numbers than those and ought to be taken over Staal.
     
  9. NashisCash

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    Listen to whoever you want, I've seen Staal play quite a bit and that is my opinion of him.

    Are we going to get an opinion from you :biglaugh:
     
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    Ding!Ding!Ding! Chad Kilger too, glad I read further seeing the title all I thought of was Gratton. Someone is bond to turn like those two. I like them and would have them on my team. It's that things didn't turn out for them AS PEOPLE SAID it would. ;)
     
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    where is the humour in that post to deserve the lmao smiley?
     
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    Well which brothers have the most points in the nhl?
     
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    I bet you'd change your tune if your team somehow found a way to draft him.
     
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    For two brothers, that's easy. Wayne and Brent Gretzky. Combined, they had 2,861 points -- although Wayne had 2,857 of them.

    For three or more, go with the Sutters. Now there's bloodlines. Their point totals: Brian, 636; Duane, 342; Darryl, 279; Brent,829; Ron, 533; Rich, 315. Total = 2,934
     
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    I think its the gretzkys... with over 2000 pts and about 900 goals

    The richards brothers should up there too..
     
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    Keep in mind that Staal is a September 1988 birthday. If he was born about a week later, he'd be eligible for next year's draft. He's nearly a year younger than fellow OHL top prospect Bryan Little.

    I think very highly of Staal. I think he is definitely a top five player in this draft. He's not as good as older brother Eric, but I think he has the potential to be a solid all-round 70-80 point player. In this year's draft, that may prove to be the best.
     
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    Wayne and Brent. :)

    And the Sutter brothers beat them by about a hundred points, but of course there were six of them.
     
  18. Ryan Van Horne

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    Correct you are. See fixed post above.
     
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    Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I thought the new CBA was changing the draft to go just by birth year. Or was it in the CHL a change like that was made?
     
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    I think Staal is a little overrated, still top 5 probably, but I don't consider him better than Mueller personally, they are probably neck and neck, both of them have a potential somewhere between Daymond Langkow and Patrick Marleau I think. Staal has some superb physical tools though and that will likely get him drafted higher than Mueller.
     
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    I think it should stay the way it is right now by the day that training camp starts...

    I think its a assurance issue with the NHL, they propably cant afford having 17 year olds in the NHL...
     
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    Ignoring age

    Staal is one of the youngest players in the draft. You can't look at this years OHL stats for Staal and compare them to players who played in their third CHL season. Well... you can... but Staal's age is a bonus on his side.

    Teams arent drafting this 18 year old kid to be an 18 year old kid. They are drafting a 22 year old...

    How many teams are going to kick themselves when he puts up 45 goals and 60 assists next year, and leads team Canada at the World Juniors...
     
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    There were rumours but it didn't happen. Personally I don't understand why . . . They don't want 17 year olds in the NHL maybe?
     
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    Not more than 2 or 3, I would guess. :)
     
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    nice post, Trickster... though I'm a Pens fan so I'm not really pullin for us to take him, being he's a center, but I definitely see what ya got goin.
     

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