Jonathan Bernier - 10th best?

[Durrr]

Last year, in goalies with >30 starts.
He was 7th in save%.

1 Tuukka Rask BOS .930
2 Semyon Varlamov COL .927
3 Carey Price MTL .927
4 Anton Khudobin CAR .926
5 Ben Bishop TBL .924
6 Sergei Bobrovsky CBJ .923
7 Jonathan Bernier TOR .923
8 Ben Scrivens LAK, EDM .922
....
27 Reimer TOR .911

At least Reimer is playing like a #1 (top 30).

 

[HamiltonNHL]

At least Reimer is playing like a #1 (top 30).

Heh.
I thought of that too
LOL.

I have another stat he didn't do so hot on.
"**** the Bed when you are needed" stat.
It's the number of Wins you give your team in the Playoff crunch (cuz the starter got hurt).

 

[zeke]

Last year, in goalies with >30 starts.
He was 7th in save%.

1 Tuukka Rask BOS .930
2 Semyon Varlamov COL .927
3 Carey Price MTL .927
4 Anton Khudobin CAR .926
5 Ben Bishop TBL .924
6 Sergei Bobrovsky CBJ .923
7 Jonathan Bernier TOR .923
8 Ben Scrivens LAK, EDM .922
....
27 Reimer TOR .911

khudobin was a pure backup.

bernier finished tied 5th amongst starting goalies last year, and is 10th so far this year.

over both years combined, here are the top fulltime starting goalies:


1. Price 85gms, .926
2. Rask 82gms, .925
3. Varlamov 78gms, .924
4. Bobrovsky 79gms, .923
5. Bernier 78gms, .922
6. Bishop 89gms, .921
7. Luongo 79gms, .921
8. Rinne 51gms, .921
9. Quick 74gms, .920
10. Crawford 77gms, .919
11. Schneider 74gms, .919
12. Halak 74gms, .919
13. Fleury 87gms, .918
14. Lundqvist 86gms, .918
15. Andersen 55gms, .918

 

[hamzarocks]

Kessel rated 4th R/W no other leafs made the top 14 but Bernier is Top 10 and that's Good, he is a top Goal Tender.

Kessel the best winger in the gm

 

[TheLeafsBro]

From a pure talent based ranking I think he's possibly a top 5. But the reality is he needs more time to prove himself over a number of seasons before he can actually be put into that category. Goaltending is such an incredibly difficult position you need to have a large sample size on a goalie to really see what he's made of. Right now I think 10 is a fair ranking. The difficulty of shots he faces on a consistent basis is extremely high and he makes game changing saves almost every night. It was predicted that he would regress from his outstanding performance last season but really after a bit of a slow start he has started right where he left off and the way he can make those massive grade A chance saves night in and night out is incredible.

I often think a lot about the elite goaltenders in the league who play for some really good defensive clubs and if they were to play on the Leafs and take on the workload and save difficulty of Bernier, I bet Bernier would be out performing many of them.

 

[AuGsY]

From a pure talent based ranking I think he's possibly a top 5. But the reality is he needs more time to prove himself over a number of seasons before he can actually be put into that category. Goaltending is such an incredibly difficult position you need to have a large sample size on a goalie to really see what he's made of. Right now I think 10 is a fair ranking. The difficulty of shots he faces on a consistent basis is extremely high and he makes game changing saves almost every night. It was predicted that he would regress from his outstanding performance last season but really after a bit of a slow start he has started right where he left off and the way he can make those massive grade A chance saves night in and night out is incredible.

I often think a lot about the elite goaltenders in the league who play for some really good defensive clubs and if they were to play on the Leafs and take on the workload and save difficulty of Bernier, I bet Bernier would be out performing many of them.

1.Lundqvist
2.Quick
3.Rask
4.Rinne
5.Schnieder
6.Bobrovski
7.Price

Those are the only 7 goalies that I can for sure say are better/more proven right now.

I would put Bernier somewhere between 8th and 11th best along with Anderson, Crawford and Bishop.

 

[Paradoc]

1.Lundqvist
2.Quick
3.Rask
4.Rinne
5.Schnieder
6.Bobrovski
7.Price

Those are the only 7 goalies that I can for sure say are better/more proven right now.

I would say Bernier is somewhere between 8th and 11th best along with Anderson, Crawford and Bishop.

Schneider is not more proven or better than Bernier. My list would be:

1. Lundqvist
2. Quick
3. Rinne
4. Rask
5. Price
6. Luongo
7. Bobrovsky
8. Crawford
9-15. Any of Fleury, Halak, Bernier, Howard, Bishop, Varlamov, and Schneider.

 

[AuGsY]

Schneider is not more proven or better than Bernier. My list would be:

1. Lundqvist
2. Quick
3. Rinne
4. Rask
5. Price
6. Luongo
7. Bobrovsky
8. Crawford
9-15. Any of Fleury, Halak, Bernier, Howard, Bishop, Varlamov, and Schneider.

Schneider regular season: 172 GP .924sv pct.
Schneider playoffs: 10 GP .922

Bernier regular season: 140 GP .919 sv pct.

Edit: just saw that. LOL, wtf.....

 

[zeke]

does it matter if people call him a top ten goalie or not, if he's performing like one anyways?

 

[gabeliscious]

i think there is an obvious top 5 (not in any particular order)

lundqvist
rask
price
quick
rinne

i think the next 10 spots are debatable in terms of order. some goalies are young and havent established enough of a sample size (bishop) and others are on the down stroke of their careers. (miller/ luongo)

bobo
bishop
schnider
miller
fleury
crawford
halak
luongo
lehtonen
bernier
varlymov

 

[Tyler Biggs*]

Wow Bernier was awesome. Go Leafs Go.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Wow Bernier is awesome. Go Leafs Go.

Fixed

 

[bouncesonly]

Based on team corsi, goals against, shots faced, games played, bernier's looking good....

Team Corsi Rank -- Corsi % -- Games Played -- GoalsAgainst/ShotsAgainst:

[1. Pekka Rinne] => 6 -- 52.8 -- 27 -- 48/765
[2. Cory Schneider] => 19 -- 50.2 -- 30 -- 73/873
[3. Carey Price] => 18 -- 50.2 -- 26 -- 60/782
[4. Jhonas Enroth] => 30 -- 37.5 -- 21 -- 62/737
[5. Jonathan Bernier] => 27 -- 45.5 -- 23 -- 54/695
[6. Jonathan Quick] => 4 -- 53 -- 25 -- 56/759
[7. Marc-Andre Fleury] => 13 -- 51.1 -- 23 -- 49/667
[8. Frederik Andersen] => 20 -- 50.1 -- 27 -- 64/724
[9. Jimmy Howard] => 5 -- 52.9 -- 25 -- 52/665
[10. Roberto Luongo] => 12 -- 51.6 -- 23 -- 51/679
[11. Braden Holtby] => 14 -- 50.8 -- 25 -- 55/662
[12. Sergei Bobrovsky] => 26 -- 46.2 -- 21 -- 53/685
[13. Craig Anderson] => 24 -- 47.5 -- 19 -- 47/662
[14. Ben Bishop] => 2 -- 53.9 -- 26 -- 59/676
[15. Ondrej Pavelec] => 7 -- 52.6 -- 24 -- 52/619
[16. Steve Mason] => 25 -- 47.3 -- 21 -- 52/635
[17. Jaroslav Halak] => 23 -- 48.8 -- 22 -- 52/625
[18. Tuukka Rask] => 11 -- 51.8 -- 24 -- 59/684
[19. Kari Lehtonen] => 21 -- 49.7 -- 25 -- 72/764
[20. Antti Niemi] => 10 -- 52.2 -- 22 -- 54/666
[21. Jonas Hiller] => 28 -- 45.2 -- 20 -- 46/535
[22. Henrik Lundqvist] => 8 -- 52.4 -- 23 -- 57/650
[23. Corey Crawford] => 1 -- 54.8 -- 18 -- 34/476
[24. Ryan Miller] => 17 -- 50.3 -- 23 -- 58/581
[25. Cam Ward] => 9 -- 52.3 -- 21 -- 53/569

 

[Nithoniniel]

Even strength save percentage is supposed to be the most accurate and sustainable measurement for goaltenders. Over the last few years, Bernier is 5th in the league in that category. As the sample size increases, it's looking more and more like he's a top goaltender.

 

[hoglund]

@kevin_mcgran: Bernier 10th “@drosennhl: The top 14 goalies, as ranked by @cmasisak22, @BComptonNHL, @ArponBasu and yours truly. http://www.nhl.com/ice/m_news.htm?id=729530


Thoughts? Where would you rank him? Personally, last season, without him, we are drafting Reinhart/Ekblad. He carried his pretty much all season.

Hopefully we give him more support this season.

He didn't "carry the Leafs most of last season", until late Dec. the Leafs were using the 1A, 1B goalie system and Bernier got hurt in March so he carried the Leafs for Jan and Feb and a bit of March, I think it was a total of 55 games and Reimer played 25, that's not ALL, most but not All season. If he had played ALL season, the Leafs would likely have made the playoffs last year. I agree Bernier is one of the best goalies in the league and he does seem to get a lot of support here.

 

[Tyler Biggs*]

Fixed

 

[Tyler Biggs*]

http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=744573

Don't sell Reimer short. Let's not forget that Reimer has played incredibly as well!

BOTH goalies were instrumental in our 6 game win streak.

 

[FerrisRox]

khudobin was a pure backup.

Khudobin led his team in games played, starts, wins ... How did you arrive at the conclusion he was a "pure backup?"

 

[Morbo]

He looks really good -- especially when you consider the team in front of him doesn't have the puck that much and doesn't defend well.

 

[hockeygeek]

http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=744573

Don't sell Reimer short. Let's not forget that Reimer has played incredibly as well!

BOTH goalies were instrumental in our 6 game win streak.

It's a shame he's buried behind Bernier this year because he's on his game. If I was MacT I would be all over Reimer. Guy can flat out steal games