OT: John Tortorella Suspension? (UPD: Suspended 15 days/6 games, Hartley fined $25,000)

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dave babych returns

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Okay i guess he was joking. Was he joking about being miffed about Harley's fine as well? He thinks Calgary started the fight but is surprised about the fine.

Colon Campbell was interviewed about the whole mess and said Burke's problem was with the fine being given to Hartley individually and not the Flames franchise.

So in a way you are right, the statement to the public is "I am perplexed by this fine" which is an invitation to believe he disagrees with it (and Flames fans will think its because there shouldn't be one at all) although the truth isn't as clear cut.
 

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Colon Campbell was interviewed about the whole mess and said Burke's problem was with the fine being given to Hartley individually and not the Flames franchise.

So in a way you are right, the statement to the public is "I am perplexed by this fine" which is an invitation to believe he disagrees with it (and Flames fans will think its because there shouldn't be one at all) although the truth isn't as clear cut.
Since the fine was levied under the rubric of coach's player selection there is not much to be perplexed about.
 

dave babych returns

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Yeah - not trying to validate his perplexity? Perplexitude? Perplexedness? So much as I am trying to clarify his position for poster Catamarca Livin.
 

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It seems a couple of Vancouver entrepreneurs got a legal lesson regarding appropriation of personality and the BC Privacy Act when they produced t-shirts bearing John Tortorella's image.

At common law it is known as the right of publicity (aka personality rights) or the tort (civil wrong) of appropriation of personality and was first articulated by the Ontario Court of Appeal in Krouse v. Chrysler Canada Ltd., (1973), 1 O.R. (2d) 225 (Ont. C.A.) It allows an individual to control the commercial use of his or her name, image, likeness, voice, reputation or other unequivocal aspects of his or her identity.


In BC we have passed legislation and created a statutory tort under the Privacy Act at Section 3(2):

(2) It is a tort, actionable without proof of damage, for a person to use the name or portrait of another for the purpose of advertising or promoting the sale of, or other trading in, property or services, unless that other, or a person entitled to consent on his or her behalf, consents to the use for that purpose.
http://www.bclaws.ca/Recon/document/ID/freeside/00_96373_01

In this case Tortorella may well have assigned his right to publicity to the Canucks under his contract.

A pair of Vancouver entrepreneurs selling “Free Torts†T-shirts have been shut down by the Vancouver Canucks organization.

Treven LePage and a friend began selling the shirts online after coach John Tortorella was handed a 15 day suspension for attempting to rush the Calgary Flames’ dressing room. The incident followed a heated on-ice exchange between the two teams on Saturday.

The simple white T-shirts feature an image of Tortorella pointing a finger, with the slogan “FREE TORTS†in capital block letters.

The shirts were sold for $20 each, with $1 from each shirt pledged to the John & Christine Tortorella Family Foundation.

However, the website freetorts.com where the shirts were sold was shut down Thursday, replaced with a simple message posted by the sellers.

“Bad news friends, the man has shut us down,†it read. “I got a phone call at work this afternoon from somebody from within the organization. They want us to stop selling shirts. Apparently supporting the coach is poor form around here.â€​
http://www.theprovince.com/news/Fre...ry.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

And this is not the first time such things have happened.

In 1999, De Niro’s Supper Club was a popular restaurant establishment in downtown Vancouver. At the time, the city was experiencing a large commercial growth in the film industry and often referred to as “Hollywood Northâ€. Unfortunately for the owners of De Niro’s Supper Club, the popularity of the establishment and of the city’s recognition with the film industry garnished the attention of the actor, Robert De Niro.

Not wanting his name associated with the restaurant, De Niro threatened to sue the owners under section 3 of the BC Privacy Act, which creates an actionable claim if a person uses someone else’s name to promote their business or sales. The restaurant cleverly changed its name to “Section (3)†in response.​
http://mikepoznanski.wordpress.com/2013/12/12/deniro_restaurant/
 

vanuck

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Burke is an idiot anyway. I'm glad he's running the Flames. The Canucks finally have competent management and starseeded all the terrible former management pieces around the league to destroy everything. That's some Prometheus type $*#! right there.

But omg he wins trades!

Though, that's not a bad theory about what the Canucks are doing. I could live with that. :laugh:
 

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It seems a couple of Vancouver entrepreneurs got a legal lesson regarding appropriation of personality and the BC Privacy Act when they produced t-shirts bearing John Tortorella's image.

At common law it is known as the right of publicity (aka personality rights) or the tort (civil wrong) of appropriation of personality and was first articulated by the Ontario Court of Appeal in Krouse v. Chrysler Canada Ltd., (1973), 1 O.R. (2d) 225 (Ont. C.A.) It allows an individual to control the commercial use of his or her name, image, likeness, voice, reputation or other unequivocal aspects of his or her identity.


In BC we have passed legislation and created a statutory tort under the Privacy Act at Section 3(2):

(2) It is a tort, actionable without proof of damage, for a person to use the name or portrait of another for the purpose of advertising or promoting the sale of, or other trading in, property or services, unless that other, or a person entitled to consent on his or her behalf, consents to the use for that purpose.
http://www.bclaws.ca/Recon/document/ID/freeside/00_96373_01

In this case Tortorella may well have assigned his right to publicity to the Canucks under his contract.

A pair of Vancouver entrepreneurs selling “Free Torts†T-shirts have been shut down by the Vancouver Canucks organization.

Treven LePage and a friend began selling the shirts online after coach John Tortorella was handed a 15 day suspension for attempting to rush the Calgary Flames’ dressing room. The incident followed a heated on-ice exchange between the two teams on Saturday.

The simple white T-shirts feature an image of Tortorella pointing a finger, with the slogan “FREE TORTS†in capital block letters.

The shirts were sold for $20 each, with $1 from each shirt pledged to the John & Christine Tortorella Family Foundation.

However, the website freetorts.com where the shirts were sold was shut down Thursday, replaced with a simple message posted by the sellers.

“Bad news friends, the man has shut us down,†it read. “I got a phone call at work this afternoon from somebody from within the organization. They want us to stop selling shirts. Apparently supporting the coach is poor form around here.â€​
http://www.theprovince.com/news/Fre...ry.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

And this is not the first time such things have happened.

In 1999, De Niro’s Supper Club was a popular restaurant establishment in downtown Vancouver. At the time, the city was experiencing a large commercial growth in the film industry and often referred to as “Hollywood Northâ€. Unfortunately for the owners of De Niro’s Supper Club, the popularity of the establishment and of the city’s recognition with the film industry garnished the attention of the actor, Robert De Niro.

Not wanting his name associated with the restaurant, De Niro threatened to sue the owners under section 3 of the BC Privacy Act, which creates an actionable claim if a person uses someone else’s name to promote their business or sales. The restaurant cleverly changed its name to “Section (3)†in response.​
http://mikepoznanski.wordpress.com/2013/12/12/deniro_restaurant/

It might be in Torts contract then that the organisation has a say in cases like this. It seems strange that Torts in person reacted.

On the other hand it does from my standpoint seem unlikely that the organisation can negotiate away a right of law (not that Torts will make a case of it anyway against the Canucks). Or can one write in the contract that the Canucks "defend" Torts rights in cases like this? How do you look at it Wetcoaster?
 

Proto

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Sherman got punched in the face by an offensive lineman on the field after a Seahawks game this year and it wasn't a referendum on the sport.

Hockey is full of navel-gazers.
 

Wetcoaster

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It might be in Torts contract then that the organisation has a say in cases like this. It seems strange that Torts in person reacted.

On the other hand it does from my standpoint seem unlikely that the organisation can negotiate away a right of law (not that Torts will make a case of it anyway against the Canucks). Or can one write in the contract that the Canucks "defend" Torts rights in cases like this? How do you look at it Wetcoaster?
It was not Tortorella who reacted. It was the Canucks.

Trent Carroll, the Canucks executive vice-president of sales and marketing, explained the team's position.

“It’s absolutely great when the community gets behind the team,†Carroll said in an email. “It’s the kind of thing that can start traditions like the playoff towels. We love this gentleman’s passion but he was using the likeness of a member of the Canucks to generate personal profit so we unfortunately had to ask him to stop.â€​

It is likely that the Canucks took an assignment of his right to publicity when the contract was signed. I have seen such contract language in the past.
 

Wetcoaster

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Adam Proteau ‏@Proteautype
The NHL has created a hockey bird for the Angry Birds game. I'm as shocked as anyone it isn't John Tortorella.

2424207-hockeybird.png
 

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Finally heard PJ Stock's testimony on HNIC. Just embarrassing how far he's come. From vaunted fighter in the NHL to mouth-running, adult diaper-wearing imbecile. Liked him better when they had him as the scoreboard *****.
 

Proto

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Finally heard PJ Stock's testimony on HNIC. Just embarrassing how far he's come. From vaunted fighter in the NHL to mouth-running, adult diaper-wearing imbecile. Liked him better when they had him as the scoreboard *****.

It's only when it's the Canucks. When it's a team he cheers for, it's totally different. He's the media embodiment of an HFboards fanboy poster, which is what's so hilarious about him.
 

Betamax*

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Has anyone notice how each team has performed or hasn't performed since the incident?

Flames have won 5 games, lost 1 ..... the Canucks on the other hand have won 2 and lost 4 games.

I'm not sure what to make of this. There was a school of thought from some hockey analysts (Eddie Olczyk) that Coach Torts gained some "hockey cred" from his players when he showed he had their backs while Coach Hartley lost some face by not sticking up for his players when we ignored the berating from Torts. Obviously, this hasn't manifested itself into on ice results for the Canucks.
 

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Has anyone notice how each team has performed or hasn't performed since the incident?

Flames have won 5 games, lost 1 ..... the Canucks on the other hand have won 2 and lost 4 games.

I'm not sure what to make of this. There was a school of thought from some hockey analysts (Eddie Olczyk) that Coach Torts gained some "hockey cred" from his players when he showed he had their backs while Coach Hartley lost some face by not sticking up for his players when we ignored the berating from Torts. Obviously, this hasn't manifested itself into on ice results for the Canucks.

Just means that Calgary's re-build is now further along than Vancouver's :sarcasm:
 

Karl Hungus

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Has anyone notice how each team has performed or hasn't performed since the incident?

Flames have won 5 games, lost 1 ..... the Canucks on the other hand have won 2 and lost 4 games.

I'm not sure what to make of this. There was a school of thought from some hockey analysts (Eddie Olczyk) that Coach Torts gained some "hockey cred" from his players when he showed he had their backs while Coach Hartley lost some face by not sticking up for his players when we ignored the berating from Torts. Obviously, this hasn't manifested itself into on ice results for the Canucks.

Seems to me they were doing alright and then Henrik and Santorelli got hurt and it's been a slide since.
 

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Seems to me they were doing alright and then Henrik and Santorelli got hurt and it's been a slide since.

NO.

When Henrik and Santorelli got Hanzell'ed on January 16, 2014, they had one win and six losses in the month of January with them in the line-up.

In other words, the slide occurred much, much earlier.
 

ghostingtaro

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NO.

When Henrik and Santorelli got Hanzell'ed on January 16, 2014, they had one win and six losses in the month of January with them in the line-up.

In other words, the slide occurred much, much earlier.

Yea... since the cup final run... :sarcasm:
 
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