John Tortorella is not happy with Pierre Luc-Dubois

[Red Piller]

Lol any player can demand a trade whenever they want and have it be "rightful".

Players owe no loyalty to teams because teams will never reciprocate that loyalty.

they signed a contract so yeah they do

 

[Chips]

they signed a contract so yeah they do

You realize they’re essentially required to?

 

[Red Piller]

You realize they’re essentially required to?

yes. If you sign a deal with a team you owe them your loyalty.

 

[aufheben]

Does anyone actually like playing for torts?

Players go to war for Torts.

Ok except Vancouver.

 

[jcs0218]

Does anyone actually like playing for torts?

As long as Torts is fair, then I don't have a problem with him.

Only those who play for him can comment on whether he is fair or not.

Torts being tough and a player not being able to handle it speaks more about the player than it does about Torts.

 

[aufheben]

they signed a contract so yeah they do

Yeah, if the contract explicitly states that they can’t.

 

[jcs0218]

It sounds like choice between my 1C and coach. If I'm the GM and I have that choice it's goodbye Torts.

Maybe in general terms.

But if Dubois is acting this way now, sulking without giving the reason why, then maybe he has an attitude problem? These typically don't go away just because you change the coach.

 

[jetsforever]

Definitely not a healthy situation between them right now, unfortunate for Columbus fans

 

[Saucechucker99]

Tortorella:

 

[M2Beezy]

Does anyone actually like playing for torts?

I believe Henrick Sedin mentioned that he and his twin (Daniel) liked playing for Torts

 

[Cleatus]

Just speculating, but with the pandemic happening, and the weird political climate in the US, dude probably just wants to go home, and I really wouldn't blame him (can also see why he wouldn't wanna talk about it, if it's for these reasons).

He's also shown that he plays pretty damn well against Toronto, so perhaps he also wants more of that as a member of the Habs, lol.

 

[DFC]

Honestly, I still love Torts.

I think the whole "you have to coddle today's players" theory has been squashed in recent years.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

More than likely PLD is embarrassed to own up to why he wants out. I sure hope it isn't because he's soft, cultural issues (isn't his mother American?), or can't deal with the political leanings of certain teammates...

 

[Dexter Colt]

It sounds like another case of tough love from Tortorella. He can be demanding on young guys and perhaps Dubois isn't enjoying it.

Torts reminds me of my high school math teacher. I hated that class as he was always busting my chops. Nailed the final and he turned into a nice guy.

 

[IranCondraAffair]

I like Torts interviews, but not everyone responds to his brand of coaching. Some do.

What is a 18-22 year old players supposed to say? "Hey coach (who decides my ice time, my earning potential, and potentially my whole career), I think you're wrong. I'm starting to flinch because you yell at me so much. I'm trying my best. You're not coaching me to be better ,you're just blaming me for mistakes. I think I'm better off elsewhere." Some people just aren't built that way. OR they don't get that kind of attitude until they're 30.

Does Torts not understand these aren't fully formed adults yet? I think he's being a bit unreasonable here expecting a young kid to confront him. Especially if it is the relentless criticism that is driving the desire to move.

I mean, what happens if PLD does confront Torts? Is that a team motivated move or is Torts going to use that confrontation to drive a wedge between PLD and his teammates "Hey guys PLD wants special treatment, look at that baby!"

IDK.

Edit: I also want to add that if PLD does say he wants to go because of Torts shouldn't that be kept under wraps anyway so as not to drive a wedge between players who support PLD and players who support Torts? Does PLD want a new coach/team or does he want Torts fired? I mean, maybe PLD is doing the mature thing and asking out rather than fighting with Torts and blowing up the team or getting Torts fired.

 

[tny760]

Just speculating, but with the pandemic happening, and the weird political climate in the US, dude probably just wants to go home, and I really wouldn't blame him (can also see why he wouldn't wanna talk about it, if it's for these reasons).

yeah that's some speculation alright

Honestly, I still love Torts.

I think the whole "you have to coddle today's players" theory has been squashed in recent years.

guys like him are tough, they'll drag greatness out of some but others respond by shutting down. double edged sword i guess. honestly i'm good with how he worded that interview, he challenged DLB to tell him what his problem is and he's completely right about 2 men being honest with each other. if PLD doesn't like the money or whatever the problem is with the contract negotiations he needs to step up and tell torts likewise. play out the season and move on.

 

[Bankers Box]

PLD is really coming across as a soft primadona here.

Demanding out just because his coach is hard on him?

He is even close to being good enough to start making these kind of demands.

 

[Dexter Colt]

I believe Henrick Sedin mentioned that he and his twin (Daniel) liked playing for Torts

Weren't they also the guys who told Tortorella that if he's to harp on someone, he should harp on them? I remember them reasoning that they can take it and it gets the message to those who can't. Special guys, the Sedins.

 

[Reddwit]

More than likely PLD is embarrassed to own up to why he wants out. I sure hope it isn't because he's soft, cultural issues (isn't his mother American?), or can't deal with the political leanings of certain teammates...

I mean, people’s political leanings are breaking up families these days, so it wouldn’t be shocking that it could disrupt a locker room.

 

[Canes]

Columbus isn't even that bad of a city, Jackets just have terrible luck with high profile players.

 

[SI90]

I see nothing wrong with what Torts said.

 

[wonton15]

I mean yeah Torts is probably hard to play for but he isn't in the wrong here... At least to what we know

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Columbus isn't even that bad of a city, Jackets just have terrible luck with high profile players.

I don't think the city is why those guys left.

 

[Cleatus]

More than likely PLD is embarrassed to own up to why he wants out. I sure hope it isn't because he's soft, cultural issues (isn't his mother American?), or can't deal with the political leanings of certain teammates...

What'd honestly be worse to you; this, or him being too thin-skinned to handle Tortorella yelling at him?

 

[the]

Good! I hope Torterella eats him alive.