Player Discussion John Carlson - Vol. 1

[Silky mitts]

Sure, it's easy to take shots now but it wasn't an unreasonable take at the time. Carlson was half the player he is now and far less consistent. The conversation, from what I recall, was also heavily steered towards asset management, i.e. are the Caps better with Carlson or a 1st + prospect + Shattenkirk.

The argument against that as far as asset management, they were already losing Williams, Alzner, and Winnik for cap space, ended up losing Mojo too, who else would have gone for Shat and whoever came in a Carlson deal? Best case you lose Oshie and Carlson for Shattenkirk, Williams, and a sell low Carlson return. That’s a Skins move. But I had to get off HFBoards for at least a month after that loss. I can see how others might have too and madness could have reigned.

 

[txpd]

Sure, it's easy to take shots now but it wasn't an unreasonable take at the time. Carlson was half the player he is now and far less consistent. The conversation, from what I recall, was also heavily steered towards asset management, i.e. are the Caps better with Carlson or a 1st + prospect + Shattenkirk.

Umm. No. Carlson was not half the player he is now. Shattenkirk was already a bust. Yes, heavily asset management. Carlson was going to cost big to keep. Shattenkirk was going to cost big to keep. Asset management says sign the guy you will lose for nothing with the money planned to sign the guy you can trade and get some nice pieces for.

This is why asset management heavy roster management is often a mistake.

Of course in this case, Shattenkirk had no interest in signing with the Caps

 

[Raikkonen]

Not many centerforwards in this chart. Kinda strange.

 

[Sam Spade]

 

[txpd]

This start has forced Carlson into the league wide conversation. He is largely a forgettable player that most fans want to overlook in favor of one of their favorites.

Now they have to come up with reasons why he's not that good. Its really funny.

 

[Raikkonen]

Now this is the analytics we need here. Told you, new wave of advanced stats will be gold. SportLogiq it is.

 

[Raikkonen]

John Carlson scored 18 points while having ECHLer on his left (also worst LD in NA). A record for the ages.

 

[francaisvolantsparis]

John Carlson scored 18 points while having ECHLer on his left (also worst LD in NA). A record for the ages.

Are you happy, you won whis stupid avatar bet? Really?

 

[Raikkonen]

Are you happy, you won whis stupid avatar bet? Really?

Forget it, no connection with the bet. You were not the only one who thinks Seige is very weak. De facto guys are still seeing him as 6-7 D. And Carlson got many of those 18 points playing with Siege (Idk how many exactly, but anyway). That has to count for something.

 

[txpd]

John Carlson scored 18 points while having ECHLer on his left (also worst LD in NA). A record for the ages.

You, uh, not buying into 34 playing 20 mins?

 

[Raikkonen]

You, uh, not buying into 34 playing 20 mins?

He can play in NHL certainly. Can he be top-4 is another question which will take time to answer.

All the buzz is about depth chart.

Kempny
Siege
Fever
AA

And 2 slots

 

[txpd]

He can play in NHL certainly. Can he be top-4 is another question which will take time to answer.

But ECHL? Ok

 

[maacoshark]

But ECHL? Ok

I think people here are being very hard on Siegenthaler. He is a very young defenceman with not much NHL experience. Give him some time to develop. He has the tools to be a serviceable NHL player.

 

[txpd]

I think people here are being very hard on Siegenthaler. He is a very young defenceman with not much NHL experience. Give him some time to develop. He has the tools to be a serviceable NHL player.

Cant get Fever up without a spot in the lineup.

 

[hb12xchamps]

I think people here are being very hard on Siegenthaler. He is a very young defenceman with not much NHL experience. Give him some time to develop. He has the tools to be a serviceable NHL player.

Bottom pairing, PK specialist is his ceiling. He will be surpassed by others in the organization in due time.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

But until then, you play him and develop him.

 

[txpd]

Bottom pairing, PK specialist is his ceiling. He will be surpassed by others in the organization in due time.

You can tell that after 40 NHL games? I see a guy that's 3rd on the team D in TOI. Who has one of the best even strength goal diffs on the team. A guy who is second on D in SH/TOI on a much improved PK unit. All this on a team that has only lost 2 of their first 10 in regulation. Seems to me he has been pretty solid. Particularly for a rookie. Consider that Carlson has been so able to play an aggressive offensive game with Seigenthaler as his back up. That really says a lot about the kid's play.

I think its way too early to limit the kid as a 3rd pairing at best player

 

[Raikkonen]

But ECHL? Ok

Come on, doc, it was sarcasm

 

[txpd]

Come on, doc, it was sarcasm

10 4. Its hard to know sarcasm from typed words

 

[Raikkonen]

I think Siege is modern day Orpik type. There still could be a place for that player on the roster.

Fever-Carlson
Alexeev-Orlov
Siegenthaler-Jensen

Like that

Say in 2 years. After ED. Actually someone is taken in that draft most probably.

There is no Kempny in that. I do believe Kemps is good but his potential is limited. No big enough track record of success, not young, not big, left handed. He is in direct competition with Orlov, Fever and AA. Once two latter guys are in roster someone has to be moved to the right side at minimum. Or elsewhere.

No PP for Kempny. For PK he isn't the first option either. He could lose to his competitors one day.

Hopefully he helps Caps win another cup and Im wrong as usual

 

[Raikkonen]

Not so bold prediction: someone is injured in playoffs, Fever gets up and never goes down again in his career. Just like Carlson.

 

[hb12xchamps]

You can tell that after 40 NHL games? I see a guy that's 3rd on the team D in TOI. Who has one of the best even strength goal diffs on the team. A guy who is second on D in SH/TOI on a much improved PK unit. All this on a team that has only lost 2 of their first 10 in regulation. Seems to me he has been pretty solid. Particularly for a rookie. Consider that Carlson has been so able to play an aggressive offensive game with Seigenthaler as his back up. That really says a lot about the kid's play.

I think its way too early to limit the kid as a 3rd pairing at best player

Yes I think it's a fair assessment of a player that I've watched a lot of. He has many limitations and plays a very simple game. His skill set is best suited as a 3rd pair type guy. He has very little offensive upside at all, which has shown considering he has 1 assist while playing on the same pairing with the NHL points leader. His team D TOI totals will diminish now that Kempny is back and he gets shifted off the first pairing.

 

[Raikkonen]

Yes I think it's a fair assessment of a player that I've watched a lot of. He has many limitations and plays a very simple game. His skill set is best suited as a 3rd pair type guy. He has very little offensive upside at all, which has shown considering he has 1 assist while playing on the same pairing with the NHL points leader. His team D TOI totals will diminish now that Kempny is back and he gets shifted off the first pairing.

Being strictly 3LD and being able to play 1LD (even if in a pinch) are different. That's valuable for playoffs.

John Carlson couldn't pass to Ovi's wheelhouse once, while being already established player mind you.

So Siege can progress further. It seems he has some significant strength and good mobility for big guy. You can't easily obtain that type of player. Time will tell if the glass is his only breakout option.

 

[Calicaps]

Focus, people. This is the Carlson thread. If you want to talk Siegenthaler, use the roster thread or start a Jonas discussion thread.

 

[HSHS]

Let’s argue about Seigs here every game to keep this up! So enjoyable to watch him play especially since he’s signed to term!