Let’s make a poll and see who was better..guarantee Iginla wins.
Of course you’re going to ignore me, you’re submitting to the fact that there was and is no valid argument to place Thornton on top 100.
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Let’s make a poll and see who was better..guarantee Iginla wins.
Of course you’re going to ignore me, you’re submitting to the fact that there was and is no valid argument to place Thornton on top 100.
Tortorella had the luxury of caching teams that were already good when he came along, never once in his career did he take a group of pretenders and turned them into winner. That's what makes a good coach. Not pointless arbitrary end of season trophies.
also way to not answer my question. I asked if any of them are better than Malkin or Kessel. So either you can't and are just another troll, or you don't know what the f*** you're talking about.
TomasHertlsRooster
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Curious, how many players say they wear #12 because of Jarome Iginla? Iginla is not on Thornton's level.
GreatGonzo
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So Malkin alone being left off doesn't make you see how garbage the list is and how it shouldn't be taken seriously....
The best playmaker of his generation and better than many names on that list, not a top 100 player....right.
Everyone agrees Toe
Everyone agrees Malkin should be on ahead of Keith or Toews.
Thornton not best playmaker of his generation. Guys like Datsyuk easily ahead of him.
Everyone agrees Malkin should be on ahead of Keith or Toews.
Thornton not best playmaker of his generation. Guys like Datsyuk easily ahead of him.
GreatGonzo
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You can't pass off something that is entirely subjective, and your opinion, as a "fact."
That is not a fact, it's how you see it. If you think Iginla was better, by all means enlighten us.....
This is a pretty low tier trolling tactic. This kid is full of logical fallacies.
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Of course I can see that Claude Lemieux was on a great Colorado team, but he was New Jersey's best offense. Are you failing to remember that San Jose had a President's Trophy winning team as well - why was Thornton unable to go into God-mode like they needed him to in the playoffs? They have a Norris level defenseman. A lot of people picked them to beat the Penguins in 2016. It's not like they're some "woe is me Cinderella team". The Sharks aren't as stacked as the 2010 Blackhawks, granted. But they're also guilty of being unable to win when they have the best team on paper/a Hart Trophy winner.
GreatGonzo
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Then who is the best? Datsyuk? Why?....your not making any sense...
so you're telling me that the 2005-06 Sharks. a team that had Nils Ekman on the top line and almost no depth or any sort of cohesive Defense core. was the best team on paper that year?
lol.
GreatGonzo
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Where?....within your opinions?
Where are these "facts?"
Oates
Nieuwendyk
Sundin
Thornton is better than all those players....
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GreatGonzo
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He was not New Jersey's best offense, he just happened to score a lot of goals. He finished 4th in scoring...he was a 2nd-3rd liner his entirely career.
Of course I'm aware, but that team was not going to beat Detroit. Besides that was one year. The teams in '06 '07 '08 '12 '13 were not going to win the cup any time soon. The '10 and '11 teams were great, but Chicago and Vancouver were clearly superior. 2014, they ALL choked and blew a 3 game lead, and LA ultimately ended up winning it all. SJ rarely had these "stacked" teams I keep hearing about...sure, they have had a dominant top 6 for a few years, but their depth before the last few years was bad, our defense always lacking, and shaky goaltending.
In 2016, Joe did his best, but that team failed overall. pavelski had 1 goal, Hertl got hurt, Marleau and Ward went cold, while Burns underperformed. Joe is the last person to
Blame or to hold accountable.
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I'm pretty sure the Sharks have won a President's Trophy which would give one a reasonable argument for best team in the league. It also gives you home ice advantage in the playoffs. Were the Sharks able to cash in on this with Thornton as their best player, or at least one of their best players? Just so you know, other than cheering for Montreal, I was hoping so badly that Thornton could win a Cup with the Sharks. Best way to stick it to my mortal enemy - the Bruins. I wanted Thornton to win in San Jose and still do.
http://www.espn.com/nhl/team/stats/_/name/sj/year/2006/seasontype/3
http://www.espn.com/nhl/team/stats/_/name/sj/year/2007/seasontype/3
http://www.espn.com/nhl/team/stats/_/name/sj/year/2008/seasontype/3
http://www.espn.com/nhl/team/stats/_/name/sj/year/2009/seasontype/3
http://www.espn.com/nhl/team/stats/_/name/sj/year/2010/seasontype/3
http://www.espn.com/nhl/team/stats/_/name/sj/year/2011/seasontype/3
http://www.espn.com/nhl/team/stats/_/name/sj/year/2012/seasontype/3
http://www.espn.com/nhl/team/stats/_/name/sj/year/2013/seasontype/3
http://www.espn.com/nhl/team/stats/_/name/sj/year/2014/seasontype/3
http://www.espn.com/nhl/team/stats/_/name/sj/year/2016/seasontype/3
http://www.espn.com/nhl/team/stats/_/name/sj/year/2017/seasontype/3
only twice did he have a playoff year where he didn't put up respectable numbers: 2014, and last season, the latter mainly due to a serious knee injury. That's it. In his prime he was consistently the Sharks top player, leading the team 5 times and near the top of every other. I don't understand how anyone can look at these numbers and say he's underperformed when he clearly and objectively has.
The Sharks ran into a stacked team that had not one, but two of the greatest defensemen of all time on one team and one that should have been higher in the standings if Selanne had not taken half the year off.
As for the Sharks, they had guys like Thomas Plihal and Lukas Kaspar who were regulars in their lineup that year. So yeah.
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I don't blame Joe for 2016 - he was already well past his prime. Among my group of hockey fan friends (about 15 of us), more guys had San Jose winning the Cup against Pittsburgh. Minuscule sample size I know, but people have expected San Jose to win a Cup before you know. I was in the minority in 2016, I noticed that Kessel had stepped up for the Pens in the playoffs, and all of these no-names like Rust, Sheary, Bonino, and the goalie Murray were playing above their heads.
GreatGonzo
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Unless your new to hockey, the Presidents trophy winner rarely wins the cup. Since the lockout, only 2 in 11 years have won both. That 09 team was good, but the 2010, 2011, and possibly the 2014 teams were better, and they met superior teams in the WCF and ultimately the cup winner in LA in a disastrous first round.
Stop romanticizing about their 09 year as a prime example of Thornton "not getting it done." He led them in scoring for crying out loud....what more do you want him to do?
Thornton was being smothered and double teamed every game that series and still led them in scoring. He was the least of their issues.
GreatGonzo
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And it's unfortunate that the organization took that long to build a good enough team around him. That team was an amazing team and definitely the strongest. Our game plan and lack of speed were our downfalls.
TomasHertlsRooster
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Anybody who watched the 2016 playoffs knows that Sharks team was fantastic and so was Joe. They ran into one of the greatest teams of all time in the '16 Penguins. You credit guys like Corey Perry because they have Stanley Cups on teams they were passengers on yet everybody knows if the Sharks were lucky enough to meet the '07 Senators in the finals Thornton would have a Cup to his name. This isn't basketball, you can't judge players based off of championships. Some of the best players were passengers on the teams they won Cups on. He was the #1C on an elite team that made the finals. He scored more points than the Conn Smythe winner in the same number of games.
If Thornton gets traded at the TDL as a 40 year old and is the #4C on a Cup winning team, that would mean he has a Cup. Yet, would that really change his legacy? Would that mean shit? Would the small sample size of a few playoff games where he was a passenger mean a damn thing? That's the only thing some of these guys have on him. They were passengers on slightly better teams.
If Thornton gets traded at the TDL as a 40 year old and is the #4C on a Cup winning team, that would mean he has a Cup. Yet, would that really change his legacy? Would that mean shit? Would the small sample size of a few playoff games where he was a passenger mean a damn thing? That's the only thing some of these guys have on him. They were passengers on slightly better teams.
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Win. I want(ed) him and the Sharks to win as I said above because I really dislike the Bruins (Bobby Orr exempted).
Hey, when you say the President's Trophy winner rarely wins the Cup, that becomes a double-edged sword. Now I'd expect that the Sharks could have at least won one Cup as either a favorite or as an underdog with a great player like Thornton, could I not?
Oh so internet polls decide who is better now. Is that it?
Not stats. Not accomplishments. Not top 20 in all-time scoring in NHL history.
Internet... polls.
Polls. On internet forums. Decide who is better.
The same internet that voted John Scott to an All Star Game.
Are you serious?
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TomasHertlsRooster
Don’t say eye test when you mean points
The same people that voted Thornton out of the top-100 aren't the guys that voted John Scott to the all-star game.
They're worse.
These are the same people that voted for Alex Ovechkin to the first all star team as a Right Winger and to the second all star team as a Left Winger.
They're worse.
These are the same people that voted for Alex Ovechkin to the first all star team as a Right Winger and to the second all star team as a Left Winger.
