Jim Benning Era Transaction Summary | Mod warning in OP

[DL44]

I remember there being a sweet Gillis version of this...
Handy to see all the work in one post...


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Trades:

-2014-15-----------
Bonino, Sbisa, 1st (#24 - McCann), 3rd --- Kesler, 3rd (#84 - Deven Sideroff)
Dorsett --- 3rd (#85 - Keegan Iverson)
2nd --- Garrison, 7th (204th - Jack Sadek), Costello
Vey --- 2nd (#50 - Roland McKeown)
Acton --- Lain
Pedan --- Mallet, '16 3rd (came back to us)
Clendening --- Forsling
Conacher --- Jeffrey
Baertschi --- 2nd (#53 - Rasmus Andersson)

-2015-16-----------
3rd (66th - Brisebois) and (#194 McKenzie) --- Lack
7th (210th - Tate Olson) --- McNally
Prust --- Kassian, (#124 Staum)
'16 2nd --- Bieksa
Sutter, (#64 Lockwood) --- Bonino, Clendening, (#55 Gustavsson)
Etem --- Jensen, '17 6th
Granlund --- Shinkaruk
Larsen --- '17 5th
Futures --- Fox

-2016-17----------
Gudbranson, (#140 Candella) --- McCann, (#33 Asplund), (#94 Ang)
Dahlen --- Burrows
Goldobin, '17 4th* --- Hansen


-2017-18-----------





Signings:

-2014-15----------
AHL - Biega, Jeffrey, O'Reilly, Sanguinetti, Andersson, Archibald, Cannata, Freisen, Zalewski
ELC - McCann, Virtanen, Subban, Stewart
Miller -- 3 yrs, $6 mil per
Vrbata -- 2 yrs, $5 mil per
Kassian -- 2 yr, $1.75 per
Weber -- 1yr, $850K
Tanev -- 1yr, $2mil
Tanev -- 5yr, $4.45 mil per
Vey -- 1yr, $735K
Dorsett -- 4yr, $2.65 mil per
Sbisa -- 3 yr, $3.6 per
Kenins -- 1yr, $600K
Sautner -- 3 yr, $678K (ELC)
Hutton -- 2 yr, $900K (ELC)

-2015-16--------------
AHL - Fedun 1yr, $600K, Bachman 2yrs, $575K per, Jones 1yr, $600K, Grenier, 1yr, Witt
Baerstchi -- 1yr, $900K
Vey -- 1yr, $1 mil
Bartkowski -- 1yr, $1.75 mil
Weber -- 1yr, $1.5 mil
Markstrom -- 2yrs, $1.55 per
Cracknell -- 1 yr, $575K
Corrado -- 1yr $600K
Clendening -- 1yr $760K
Sutter -- 5 yrs, $4.375 per
Brisebois -- 3yr $734K (ELC)
Zalewski -- 3 gm, $575K
Biega -- 2 yrs, $750 per
Tryamkin -- 2 yr, $925K (ELC)

-2016-17----------------

AHL -- Demko -- 3 yr, $925K (ELC), Garteig -- 1 yr, $925K (ELC), Laplante -- 3 yr, $837K (ELC), Nilsson -- 1 yr, $575K (2-way), Chaput, Billens, Rendulic, Carcone 3yr, (ELC), Zalewski -- 1yr, 633K (2-way), Bachman -- 1 yr, $650K (2-way), Grenier -- 1yr, $600K (2-way)
Stecher -- 2 yr, $925K (ELC)
Rodin -- 1 yr, $950K
Granlund -- 2 yr, $900K
Baertschi -- 2 yr, $1.85 per
Etem -- 1 yr, $775K
Eriksson -- 6 yr, $6 mil per
Larsen -- 1 yr, $1.025 mil
Markstrom -- 3 yr, $3.667 mil per
Pedan -- 1yr, $700K (2-way)
Skille -- 1yr, $700k
Hutton -- 2yr, $2.8 mil per
MacEwen -- 3yr, $848K (ELC)
Shore -- 1yr, $600K
Chatfield -- 3yr, $765K (ELC)
Molino -- (ELC)
Megna -- 1 yr, $675K

-2017-18-----------




Draft Class:

2014: Virtanen, McCann, Demko, Tryamkin, Forsling, Pettit, Stewart
2015: Boeser, Brisebois, Zhukenov, Neill, Gaudette, Jasek, Olson
2016: Juolevi, Lockwood, Candella, Stukel, Abols, McKenzie
2017: 1, 2, 3, 4, 4* , , , 7
2018: 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
2019: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7

*conditional

14-15 turnover:

OUT:
Garrison, Kesler, Santorelli, Booth, Sestito, Dalpe, Schroeder, Welsh, Lain, Pelletier, Sauve, Ferriero, Mallet, Forsling
IN:
Vrbata, Miller, Bonino, Vey, Dorsett, Sbisa, McMillan, Baertschi, Sanguinetti, Pedan, Clendening, Conacher, Acton, Hamilton


15-16 turnover:

OUT:
Bieksa, Lack, Matthias, Richardson, Kassian, Bonino, Stanton, Clendening, Eriksson, Conacher, O'Reilly, Sanguinetti, McNally, McMillan, Defazio, Jensen, Corrado, Shinkaruk, Cracknell, Fox
IN:
Bartkowski, Prust, Sutter, Fedun, Bachman, Jones, Cracknell, Witt, Etem, Granlund, Larsen


16-17 Turnover:

OUT:
McCann, Higgins, Hamhuis, Kenins, Cannata, Weber, Vrbata, Vey, Blomstrand, Freisen, Fedun, Etem, Burrows, Hansen
IN:
Rodin, Stecher, Laplante, Gudbranson, Nilsson, Eriksson, Chaput, Billens, Rendulic, Carcone, Skille, Boucher, Dahlen, Goldobin, Cramarosa, MacEwen, Shore, Molino


17-18 Turnover:

OUT: Larsen, Tryamkin (still own for 5 yrs)
Expansion draft loss:

IN:



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[DL44]

I'm probably missing some AHL signings and trades...(Fox just popped into my head)

please post any and all corrections and i'm on enough to keep it updated..


EDIT: THANKS for the missing info guys!

 

[Powder]

Thanks for this. Hopefully this list doesn't grow too long... *cough* *cough*

 

[Rotting Corpse*]

Thanks for doing this.

Forsling is also gone.

 

[Nuckles]

You missed Stanton.

 

[DS7]

Thanks OP

Again, there's nothing outright disastrous in my books (okay, save for the Sbisa/Dorsett extensions maybe but if the cap goes up my concerns are lessened for those), but it does feels like death by a thousand cuts. Nothing overtly fatal, just small chips whittling away at our asset base every time a transaction is done. (or at TDL, not done)

I hope that trend reverses next year and we acquire and KEEP picks

 

[DL44]

When you see last season's turnover laid out like this, the Benning plan looks obvious...
Cut out depth (veteran depth) to make room for the evaluation of youth. A significant number of bodies moved Out... much smaller number of bodies brought In = requiring to fill the void by moving prospects in and up the chain.

Further exodus of vets will likely occur with Prust, Higgins, Vrbata, maybe Hamhuis being Out... cutting our veteran depth severely, and leaving us extremely thin and relying way too heavily on youth. It's a reason i feel Burrows may not be going anywhere just yet.

Veteran bodies NEED to be brought in to stabilize our roster next yr - just different than the ones we're letting go....

Can't wait to begin filling out the 2016-17 turnover section!
First I'm expecting to add an ELC signing this week, then 2016 draft section gets a few entries in late June... likely an entry or 2 into the trade section around the same time.. then a couple entries into the signings section in July.... then.. Voila! Turnover IN/OUT section filled with 20 names by August!

 

[God]

Looking at this record as a whole, there's far more spending on older veteran players than you'd expect from a rebuild. Key young pieces are shipped out and fringe NHL players/AHL burnouts are brought in.

What an utter mess. A video game simulator GM couldn't perform this poorly.

 

[Pip]

Veteran bodies NEED to be brought in to stabilize our roster next yr - just different than the ones we're letting go....

Or we could just keep the veterans that are playing well and want to say here (Hamhuis!). Even a guy like Burrows is fine to keep around even if he's overpaid.

What I don't want to see is more assets or a bunch of cap blown on more veterans that won't be here or won't be in their prime when we are competing.

This just seems like change for the sake of change yet somehow we end up with lost assets and less cap space.

If anything we should be looking in the bargain bin this year for some forwards that we can flip at the deadline but I won't hold my breath.

Side note- it's pretty amazing how every free agent Benning has signed has lost most or all of their value almost immediately. Vrbata being the exception but was untradeable in year two of his contact.

 

[fancouver]

Here, I'll update it now. Might as well.

Signings:

-2016-17----------------
Stecher 2 yr, $925K
Stamkos 7 years, 10 million
Lucic 6 years, 6.5 million

Draft Class:

2016: Matthews, Benson, 3, 4, 6, 7, 7

 

[DL44]

Looking at this record as a whole, there's far more spending on older veteran players than you'd expect from a rebuild. Key young pieces are shipped out and fringe NHL players/AHL burnouts are brought in.

What an utter mess. A video game simulator GM couldn't perform this poorly.

Team Traded In

Baerstchi-Sutter-Etem
Vey-McCann-Dorsett
Prust-Granlund-Acton
Conacher

Pedan-Larsen

Team Traded Out

Shinkaruk-Kesler-Kassian
Lain-Jeffery-Jensen
Costella-Mallet-Fox

Garrison-Bieksa
Forsling-McNally

Lack

 

[God]

Team Traded In

Baerstchi-Sutter-Etem
Vey-McCann-Dorsett
Prust-Granlund-Acton
Conacher

Pedan-Larsen

Team Traded Out

Shinkaruk-Kesler-Kassian
Lain-Jeffery-Jensen
Costella-Mallet-Fox

Garrison-Bieksa
Forsling-McNally

Lack

What? Did you really add McCann there and omit three of his worst acquisitions? Why is Jim Benning's tenure reduced to his trades?

 

[Pip]

Need to add Bonino to team traded out

 

[valkynax]

Hmm could someone please explain to me why Garrison was traded and for such PITIFUL returns?

I always like Garrison, a solid defender with a huge shot, I really thought he was going to be part of our future D.

I'm sure there's something I'm not aware of.

 

[I in the Eye]

What? Did you really add McCann there and omit three of his worst acquisitions? Why is Jim Benning's tenure reduced to his trades?

If McCann is going to be included, I think would need to attach values to the other draft picks as well... either do it for all, or do it for none:

Trades:
2014-15---------
Bonino, Sbisa, 1st (#24 - McCann), 3rd (#85 - Keegan Iverson) --- Kesler, 3rd (#84 - Deven Sideroff)
Dorsett --- 3rd (#85 - Keegan Iverson)
2nd (#50 - Roland McKeown)--- Garrison, 7th (204th - Jack Sadek), Costello
Vey --- 2nd (#50 - Roland McKeown)
Acton --- Lain
Pedan --- Mallet, 3rd (#63)
Clendening --- Forsling
Conacher --- Jeffrey
Baertschi --- 2nd (#53 - Rasmus Andersson)
2015-16-----------
3rd (66th - Brisebois) and 7th (#193) --- Lack
7th (210th - Tate Olson) --- McNally
Prust --- Kassian, 5th (#123)
2nd (#55) --- Bieksa
Sutter, 3rd (#63) --- Bonino, Clendening, 2nd (#55)
Etem --- Jensen, 6th (2017)
Granlund --- Shinkaruk
Larsen --- 5th (2017)
Futures --- Fox
2016-17----------

Also, under draft class, I think 2017 is:
2017: 1, 2, 3, 4, 7

(subject to errors).

 

[DS7]

Hmm could someone please explain to me why Garrison was traded and for such PITIFUL returns?

I always like Garrison, a solid defender with a huge shot, I really thought he was going to be part of our future D.

I'm sure there's something I'm not aware of.

Think there was a narrative spin on how Garrison was prone to groin injury problems. He was also brought in to replace Salo's cannon from the point but he never ended up hitting the net with the bulk of them. Plus he wasn't the most physical defenseman out there.

Benning probably saw him as redundant and his NTC contract tied up too much $$ for too long in an aging player (31 now, signed till 2018-2019). As for the pitiful return, i think Benning has established that if he wants to make a move, he will do it regardless of any perceived loss or bothering with little details such as maximizing return on assets. ("Pittsburgh asked for clendenning in the sutter trade, we wanted to get the deal done so we said yes")

I have no problem with his assessment on Garrison, i thought the contract was too much myself, but it's replacing him with Sbisa and Vey that irks me.

 

[DanCloutiersFiveHole]

Hmm could someone please explain to me why Garrison was traded and for such PITIFUL returns?

I always like Garrison, a solid defender with a huge shot, I really thought he was going to be part of our future D.

I'm sure there's something I'm not aware of.

I was upset when they traded him and even more upset when all we got was a 2nd...
At the time I wanted Bieksa or Edler shipped, and considering we got a 2nd for Bieksa even after his tire-fire season, I'd imagine he might have pulled a first even at that point.

 

[Cupless44]

There is an element of death by a thousand cuts as some on here like to say about Benning but when I look at the trade list I really do not see any major catastrophes unless Shinkaruk pans out but I am not sure about that. Kesler gave him one team and put any GM in a difficult position.

Some of the veteran additions seem counter intuitive to a rebuild and the message has been a bit confusing but if they stick to what Linden is now saying they could be ok. They just have to get their message clearer.

Fact is the only way to build a contender is to draft well. Benning is assembling some good young players. If they pan out then the odd Linden Vey miss isn't really going to matter in the long run.

Again the worst thing about this franchise is the dearth of good NHL players in their prime between 24-29. Benning did not create that and only time and proper drafting can truly fix it.

I am not excusing Benning's poor moves or failure at the trade deadline and I am just about done with him also...just honestly saying that the trades, while i don't like some of them, none of them look franchise crippling like Milbury who some compare him to. I hate the Shinkaruk trade but he is a pretty skinny little guy, i will not be surprised if he does not become a big time NHL player and then that trade doesn't really matter either.

 

[DanCloutiersFiveHole]

Think there was a narrative spin on how Garrison was prone to groin injury problems. He was also brought in to replace Salo's cannon from the point but he never ended up hitting the net with the bulk of them. Plus he wasn't the most physical defenseman out there.

Benning probably saw him as redundant and his NTC contract tied up too much $$ for too long in an aging player (31 now, signed till 2018-2019). As for the pitiful return, i think Benning has established that if he wants to make a move, he will do it regardless of any perceived loss or bothering with little details such as maximizing return on assets. ("Pittsburgh asked for clendenning in the sutter trade, we wanted to get the deal done so we said yes")

I have no problem with his assessment on Garrison, i thought the contract was too much myself, but it's replacing him with Sbisa and Vey that irks me.

He led our D in points that season. Certainly not fast but he was positionally sound and I thought he was our best defender in the lockout season. High risk, low reward Bieksa should have been the one to go.

 

[nameless1]

Here, I'll update it now. Might as well.

The team would still be terrible...
Because those two UFAs alone...
Just took all the cap space.

Plus...
I highly doubt Stamkos would come here...
To this mess of a team.

 

[drax0s]

If like to see draft picks added and lost in the in/out sections. Seeing Bieksa out with no corresponding in looks weird.

 

[Captain Bowie]

My thoughts:

Trades:
2014-15---------
Bonino, Sbisa, 1st (McCann), 3rd --- Kesler, 3rd (Decent, C+)
Dorsett --- 3rd (Meh, C)
2nd --- Garrison, 7th, Costello (Meh, C)
Vey --- 2nd (Bad, C-)
Acton --- Lain (Inconsequential)
Pedan --- Mallet, 3rd (Decent, C+)
Clendening --- Forsling (Bad, C-)
Conacher --- Jeffrey (Inconsequential)
Baertschi --- 2nd (Good, B)
2015-16-----------
3rd and 7th --- Lack (Meh, C)
7th --- McNally (Inconsequential)
Prust --- Kassian, 5th (Bad, C-)
2nd --- Bieksa (Good, B)
Sutter, 3rd --- Bonino, Clendening, 2nd (Decent, C+)
Etem --- Jensen, 6th (Good, B)
Granlund --- Shinkaruk (Meh, C)
Larsen --- 5th (Meh, C)
Futures --- Fox (Inconsequential)
2016-17----------

 

[Ryp37]

If McCann is going to be included, I think would need to attach values to the other draft picks as well... either do it for all, or do it for none:

Trades:
2014-15---------
Bonino, Sbisa, 1st (#24 - McCann), 3rd (#85 - Keegan Iverson) --- Kesler, 3rd (#84 - Deven Sideroff)
Dorsett --- 3rd (#85 - Keegan Iverson)
2nd (#50 - Roland McKeown)--- Garrison, 7th (204th - Jack Sadek), Costello
Vey --- 2nd (#50 - Roland McKeown)
Acton --- Lain
Pedan --- Mallet, 3rd (#63)
Clendening --- Forsling
Conacher --- Jeffrey
Baertschi --- 2nd (#53 - Rasmus Andersson)
2015-16-----------
3rd (66th - Brisebois) and 7th (#193) --- Lack
7th (210th - Tate Olson) --- McNally
Prust --- Kassian, 5th (#123)
2nd (#55) --- Bieksa
Sutter, 3rd (#63) --- Bonino, Clendening, 2nd (#55)
Etem --- Jensen, 6th (2017)
Granlund --- Shinkaruk
Larsen --- 5th (2017)
Futures --- Fox
2016-17----------

Also, under draft class, I think 2017 is:
2017: 1, 2, 3, 4, 7

(subject to errors).

The picks, not that it matters since Jim might have picked differently
Sideroff RW WHL 63gp 19-40-59

Iverson WHL C 55 11-18-29

McKeown OHL D 59 7-35-42

Sadek NCAA D 15 0-5-5

Andersson OHL D 64 9-51-60

Andersson and Sideroff both look good stats wise

 

[dwarf]

Forgot Rodin in.

 

[DL44]

If McCann is going to be included, I think would need to attach values to the other draft picks as well... either do it for all, or do it for none:

Trades:
2014-15---------
Bonino, Sbisa, 1st (#24 - McCann), 3rd (#85 - Keegan Iverson) --- Kesler, 3rd (#84 - Deven Sideroff)
Dorsett --- 3rd (#85 - Keegan Iverson)
2nd (#50 - Roland McKeown)--- Garrison, 7th (204th - Jack Sadek), Costello
Vey --- 2nd (#50 - Roland McKeown)
Acton --- Lain
Pedan --- Mallet, 3rd (#63)
Clendening --- Forsling
Conacher --- Jeffrey
Baertschi --- 2nd (#53 - Rasmus Andersson)
2015-16-----------
3rd (66th - Brisebois) and 7th (#193) --- Lack
7th (210th - Tate Olson) --- McNally
Prust --- Kassian, 5th (#123)
2nd (#55) --- Bieksa
Sutter, 3rd (#63) --- Bonino, Clendening, 2nd (#55)
Etem --- Jensen, 6th (2017)
Granlund --- Shinkaruk
Larsen --- 5th (2017)
Futures --- Fox
2016-17----------

Also, under draft class, I think 2017 is:
2017: 1, 2, 3, 4, 7

(subject to errors).

Nicely done!
I'll add it to the OP...
The McCann add was a slip.. he's been referenced so much as being part of the Kesler trade it slipped that it was a pick Benning utilized... not a direct body in the trade.