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Career .917 and 395 games played. I'd take that.
I'm not opposed to him. Just mad we never grabbed him for free on waivers last year.
Career .917 and 395 games played. I'd take that.
If we can sign Elliott, I'd like to move a winger for Haydn Fleury to address defence depth.
Fleury is unproven at the NHL level and will be expensive.
Cheaper than Hanafin. About where Morrissey was a year ago.
Morrissey had a solid track record. Fleury has a real spotted record. I doubt he will be much of an NHL player, I'd only be willing to trade a fringe prospect for him.
Disagree on this assessment 100% Mort. I thought this draft really started filling the d prospect cupboard. Most pundits seem very high on Samberg. Big and athletic. Strong skater and moves the puck well. I think he would have gone higher if he didn't play high school hockey. I like that he is going to the NCAA next season. Kovacevic may be an overagger, but produced extremely will as a NCAA freshman last season. As well as you could hope even for highly drafted d. He was rising fast and it looks like we caught him just in time.
I think you also miss the value of Vesalainen to the Jets. In a couple years he will be a very nice middle 6 winger on an ELC. At that point all our young core will be on much bigger contracts. Allows you to keep bringing in good cheap players. The guy was an absolute beast at the U18. Top forwards at that tourny have a very strong track record of doing well in the NHL. And the only was we got Virtanen in the 4th as he basically had a 2 week season due to injury. Likely much higher playing a full season. The more I read up on these guys the happier I am with the outcome.
The next 4 are all long-shots but really nice haul at the front end.
Looking at the rankings services' assessments of our picks in rounds 2-4 is like looking at those for Detroits picks. I'm not saying they are bad players. I'm saying there were better available where we picked.
Josh Brook > Samberg
Evan Barrat > Kovacevic
Noel Hoefenmayer > Virtanen
2 D and a C all rated higher than the players we got. All available when we picked. No high school player risks. No overage risks.
Its hard to knock Vesalainen. He was BPA. But he is a horrible fit for our needs and as a LW will have relatively low trade value. I would have taken Timmins there. That might have been a mistake given Vesalainen's potential. OTOH the high opinions of Vesalainen are based mostly on a 6 game sample at the U18's.
Samberg might turn out well but he sounds an awful lot like Bogosian. Nobody talks about his skill or his IQ. It is all big, strong, good skater - for a big man. Samberg is the worst.
Kovacevic also might turn out well but why are we taking an overage player in the 3rd round? If we had taken him 3rd last year and he had a D+1 like his last year in NCAA I'd be happy enough. But I don't think he has higher probability of being good in the NHL than Barrat does. I had Hoefenmayer in the next round but I'd take him over Kovacevic let alone Virtanen.
It wasn't necessary to go off the board and reach for surprise long shots. There were good, high probability picks available.
The last 4 picks were as good as any could be that late.
Hope I'm wrong. We will sure have a big D if these guys work out.
If Detroit's picks in rounds 2 to 4 are so wonderful
someone explain choosing Rasmussen in the first round..
I don't know much around the context, but Fleury had one of the best 20-year-old seasons ever in the AHL by 5v5 GF% on the ice versus off the ice.
I think he might be worth a punt. If he has a spotty track record, trade them Lemieux. If he's got a better than spotty reputation, something better (Petan, Armia, Dano...the usual suspects).
If Detroit's picks in rounds 2 to 4 are so wonderful
someone explain choosing Rasmussen in the first round..
Looking at the rankings services' assessments of our picks in rounds 2-4 is like looking at those for Detroits picks. I'm not saying they are bad players. I'm saying there were better available where we picked.
Josh Brook > Samberg
Evan Barrat > Kovacevic
Noel Hoefenmayer > Virtanen
2 D and a C all rated higher than the players we got. All available when we picked. No high school player risks. No overage risks.
Its hard to knock Vesalainen. He was BPA. But he is a horrible fit for our needs and as a LW will have relatively low trade value. I would have taken Timmins there. That might have been a mistake given Vesalainen's potential. OTOH the high opinions of Vesalainen are based mostly on a 6 game sample at the U18's.
Samberg might turn out well but he sounds an awful lot like Bogosian. Nobody talks about his skill or his IQ. It is all big, strong, good skater - for a big man. Samberg is the worst.
Kovacevic also might turn out well but why are we taking an overage player in the 3rd round? If we had taken him 3rd last year and he had a D+1 like his last year in NCAA I'd be happy enough. But I don't think he has higher probability of being good in the NHL than Barrat does. I had Hoefenmayer in the next round but I'd take him over Kovacevic let alone Virtanen.
It wasn't necessary to go off the board and reach for surprise long shots. There were good, high probability picks available.
The last 4 picks were as good as any could be that late.
Hope I'm wrong. We will sure have a big D if these guys work out.
Hockey Prospect Blackbook said:Samberg finished up this season with Waterloo (USHL) after leading Hermantown HS to the class A
Minnesota State High School championship, where he scored the winning goal in overtime in typical Dylan
Samberg Fashion, with a quick wrist shot from the point, through traffic. Samberg made a smooth transition
to the USHL where at times looked more dominant than in High School.
Samberg plays a big, strong defensive style. He doesn�t hesitate to step up on players at either blue line
and separate them from the puck. Dylan�s timing and footwork are key to how effective he can be with his
physical play. In some instances, especially in front of his own net he can tend to get too focused on the
physical play and miss some stick checks and plays on the puck.
Samberg is good at executing breakouts, whether it using his size and reach to skate the puck away from
pressure or excellent passing ability to stretch the ice. Dylan displays good patience and vision so he
doesn�t have to panic or force many plays. He doesn�t allow himself to get trapped and will settle for the
simple 10-15-foot pass to relieve pressure. In the offensive zone Samberg can walk the blue line very well
and get shots through to the net. He possesses a heavy slap shot from the point that is fairly accurate and
he tries to get in a one-timer position on the Power Play. Samberg can take some risks at the offensive
blueline in an effort to keep plays in the zone and will need to improve his decision making with his pinches
down the wall.
Samberg�s combination of size, skating, puck moving ability and physicality will make him highly coveted in
this year�s draft. With that said, like a lot of young defensive prospects he still needs to improve his decision
making and play without the puck. Samberg will be off Minnesota Duluth in 16/17 where he should easily fit
into their top 4 on the back end.
I like Samberg. When I watched he played a pretty simple game, but that�s ok.
He was just getting his feet wet in the USHL. He�s big, can skate and can shoot. I was
trying to figure out his hockey sense. It was tough to evaluate when I watched a high
school game. In the USHL he kept it pretty vanilla, so that it didn�t make for a slam dunk
evaluation either. I don�t think he�s a dumb player, but he�s didn�t scream elite hockey
sense either...I think he�s just very raw or I�ll call it green. One scout told me he�s not
dumb but he�s not smart and it and it made perfect sense to me at this point. (he also
included a player he thought was dumb for comparison) Regardless, I like Samberg�s
upside. because I think he�s just tipping the iceberg so far...I think there is some good
stuff ahead for him. - HP Scout, Mark Edwards
Quotable: �Has made considerable strides in the last 12-18 months, really impressive
finishing the season with Waterloo (USHL) NHL top pairing potential� - HP Scout,
Dusten Braaksma
Quotable: �He�s a 6�3� 200 pound kid who skates great. I know guys who don�t think he�s
even a draft (worth selecting) but I like him a lot. His floor is not that bad. He can both
defend and move pucks.�- NHL Scout - October 2016)
Quotable: �If you want to take a big swing (in the first round)Samberg is the kid to do it
with.� NHL Scout (December 2016)
Quotable: �He�s big, he can skate and he�s got some juice. He�s a second rounder all day
long.� - NHL Scout (January 2017)
Quotable: �Has an NHL caliber shot right now� - NHL Scout (May 2017)
Quotable: �He�s raw. Not sure about his hockey sense. He looked overwhelmed. He�ll
probably go late 3rd or the 4th. - NHL Scout (May 2017)
Quotable: �The thing that Waterloo (stint in Waterloo) did for me is it solidified for me
that he is smart. He also didn�t run around as much...he defended fine with good gaps and
a good stick.� - NHL Scout (May 2017)
Quotable: �In the USHL he got some coaching and he showed me that he is ascending. It
was big to see him there, (in USHL) he solidified himself as a prospect Once I saw him
there.� - NHL Scout (May 2017)
Quotable: �I saw the �Boom� watching him in high school and now that I�ve seen him in
the USHL I don�t see any �Bust�.� - NHL Scout (May 2017)
Quotable: �He had a good finish to his year in Waterloo and I think that probably did him
some good. I like the kid a lot.� - NHL Scout (May 2017)
Quotable: �He�s one of my favorite players in this draft. I�m not saying I�d take him top
20 or anything...I just like his upside... I like what he brings to the table and I like the
kid. If we draft him I�d be pretty happy.� - NHL Scout (May 2017)
Quotable: �He�s not dumb but he�s not smart. There�s a big difference for me....but don�t
forget...inexperienced too....he�s got lot�s of room to grow. � - NHL Scout (May 2017)
Quotable: �He was a bit overwhelmed in my USHL viewings...obviously a lot more than
when I saw him in Hermantown, but Hermantown isn�t even the highest division there. I
guess I�m sounding like I don�t like him but I actually do.� - NHL Scout (May 2017)
Quotable: �He plays simple, he�s not creative. He�s not going to hook the net and find all
three options. He�s going to look for his left winger....if that winger isn�t there or if
there�s an opponent in his way, he�s going to keep skating and flip it out. I like him
though. He has jam to his game and has a ton of upside.� - NHL Scout (May 2017)
You just believe these are better players as I'm guessing neither one of us has watched them play. I lot of my opinion is coming from the strong support from guys like Garret and Joe who know a little bit about these kids. But that is why you have scouts to separate otherwise closely grouped consensus players. I like that the Jets scouts look for extra value. Samberg a guy who chose high school to win 2 state championships with his friends in his hometown when he could of just looked to up his draft ranking going to the USHL. Kovacevic a real late bloomer on a meteoric rise, putting up real impressive numbers as a NCAA freshman. Virtanen a guy who likely goes as high as the 2nd round playing a full season but drops due to basically only playing a couple weeks at the end of the season. But when he did he was one of the top players at the U18.
If Detroit's picks in rounds 2 to 4 are so wonderful
someone explain choosing Rasmussen in the first round..
I like the Kovacevic pick, there were other D's like Farrance or Heofenmayer that I liked at that spot but I don't mind the pick they made. Think of it this way, if the whatever d-man the Jets drafted in the 3rd round posted ~.53PPG in two seasons in his draft+2 years in the NCAA, that would be seen as a decent pick (none of the Jets drafted d have done that, Trouba would have but he left early). So we should not let that "he's an overager" cloud that the numbers he posted in d+2 year are pretty respectable for a 3rd round pick.
I somewhat share your skepticism with the Samberg pick (I wanted us to grab Salo). But I am somewhat comforted by the fact that Mark Edwards and his group were really high on him as well and they don't generally share TNSE's size biases. Excerpt from his scouting report from the Black Book which point to there being more to his game than "big and can skate well for his size":
Some quotes from scouts:
There definitely seems to be potential there justifying drafting him in 2nd judging by these scouting reports. Seems to be a very "boom or bust" type. I would have been happier if we had grabbed Salo but I am not outraged at this pick as I was at some last year as it seems there is a higher cieling here.
I feel like with Lawless gone, we have zero local media with club connections. Pathetic state of affairs. Reynolds and Weibe are our only hope. Give us a rumour FFS!!!
Ya it's funny when Wyman is the guy I'm checking now.
Teams have till 4pm today to qualify their RFA's. Jets have 7 RFA's at the moment (Helle, Copp, Tanev, Lipon, Kosmo, Howden and Olsen). Anyone think 1 or 2 wont get offered? Or will we just qualify them all.
Teams have till 4pm today to qualify their RFA's. Jets have 7 RFA's at the moment (Helle, Copp, Tanev, Lipon, Kosmo, Howden and Olsen). Anyone think 1 or 2 wont get offered? Or will we just qualify them all.