Jason Botterill Discussion Part 4

[flashsabre]

Botterill is a great GM. Building from the foundation up always takes some time, but it means your house isn't going to fall over in the wind. Excited to see how this off-season goes. This season already was a marginal one anyway, before the chains of Murray's legacy end when these contracts are up, and the injuries and Hutton's play sealed its fate.

Nice to see Bott’s dad is active on the board.

 

[OkimLom]

Casual fans have stopped watching entirely and probably forgot who the gm even is.

Agree, they're just waiting for the marching orders from the media of how to feel.

 

[Icicle]

You hailed Housley as a great coaching pick. What role did Tim Murray have in that? You liked the ROR trade. What role did Tim Murray play in that? What role did Tim Murray play in Botterill squandering top-100 draft picks on the likes of Jimmy Vesey, Conor Sheary, Matt Hunwick, Colin Miller, and Nathan Beaulieu?

What's the excuse going to be next season? That the Okposo deal is all that's keeping them from being a contender?

I believe Krueger was always the target and that he couldn’t convince him to leave his soccer contract early, so it was two years with literally the hottest coach on the market that off season. Felt good for Buffalo to at least land that for once.

ROR trade was management. Not sure that could’ve been more obvious but hey

We call 3rd rounders top-100 picks to make them sound nicer? The picks that have a historical 2% chance of turning into NHLers? Oh those picks, which filled our roster after Murray left us with zero prospects? Yeah he used them to fill those roles. Even got an elite winger in Skinner for a 2nd. Murray got us Dan Bylsma and couldn’t even get us Jimmy Vesey for a third. Hilarious

 

[Aladyyn]

Casual fans have stopped watching entirely and probably forgot who the gm even is.

Casual fans are spreading the delusional Botterill propaganda on social media

 

[Aladyyn]

I believe Krueger was always the target and that he couldn’t convince him to leave his soccer contract early, so it was two years with literally the hottest coach on the market that off season. Felt good for Buffalo to at least land that for once.

ROR trade was management. Not sure that could’ve been more obvious but hey

We call 3rd rounders top-100 picks to make them sound nicer? The picks that have a historical 2% chance of turning into NHLers? Oh those picks, which filled our roster after Murray left us with zero prospects? Yeah he used them to fill those roles. Even got an elite winger in Skinner for a 2nd. Murray got us Dan Bylsma and couldn’t even get us Jimmy Vesey for a third. Hilarious

Murray's Vesey trade > Botterill's Vesey trade

 

[slip]

Murray's Vesey trade > Botterill's Vesey trade

Trading for Vesey twice = loser organization

 

[Fjordy]

Dumb idiot continues to be in the role of GM Buffalo.

 

[dotcommunism]

Murray's Vesey trade > Botterill's Vesey trade

I don't know if you mean it was better to trade for a prospect Vesey than Vesey as an NHL player, or if it was better to give up a 3rd to not have Vesey on your roster than to have him on your roster, but either way I agree.

 

[PegulasSportsEmpire]

Devils fired Shero.

Anyone interested in him?

 

[Jim Bob]

I believe Krueger was always the target and that he couldn’t convince him to leave his soccer contract early, so it was two years with literally the hottest coach on the market that off season. Felt good for Buffalo to at least land that for once.

ROR trade was management. Not sure that could’ve been more obvious but hey

We call 3rd rounders top-100 picks to make them sound nicer? The picks that have a historical 2% chance of turning into NHLers? Oh those picks, which filled our roster after Murray left us with zero prospects? Yeah he used them to fill those roles. Even got an elite winger in Skinner for a 2nd. Murray got us Dan Bylsma and couldn’t even get us Jimmy Vesey for a third. Hilarious

Murray left no prospects?

How about the guy that was on pace to be a Calder finalist prior to getting hurt?

How about the goalies that are going to the ECHL and AHL All-Star games this season?

 

[Jim Bob]

Last night, the Sabres had two players in the press box that the GM spent a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 5th to acquire this past summer.

That isn’t on Murray.

 

[joshjull]

Murray left no prospects?

How about the guy that was on pace to be a Calder finalist prior to getting hurt?

How about the goalies that are going to the ECHL and AHL All-Star games this season?

UPL is a Botts pick.

 

[Jim Bob]

UPL is a Botts pick.

Two out of three ain’t bad...

 

[Aladyyn]

When Jason Botterill was hired, Colorado Avalanche was coming off the worst season by any team in the cap era. Since then they made the playoffs twice, won a round, and are on track to do that again this season.

Since Botterill was hired, Sakic has acquired:
Colin Wilson
Shane Bowers
Sam Girard
Bowen Byram
Vladislav Kamenev
Philip Grubauer
Carl Soderberg
Andre Burakovsky
Nazem Kadri
Joonas Donskoi
Matt Calvert
Valeri Nichushkin

Some great f***ing GM Botterill is!

edit: oh and just by the way, the also have the most cap space in the league

 

[joshjull]

Murray left no prospects?

How about the guy that was on pace to be a Calder finalist prior to getting hurt?

How about the goalies that are going to the ECHL and AHL All-Star games this season?

I think a better way to put it is he left us with very little in the way of prospects. Certainly no one ready to immediately step in and help at the time of his firing. Which led to the need to get a lot of filler over the last few years.

The need to chase roster filler the last several off-seasons is on Murray. But the quality of the filler is on Botts.

 

[Fjordy]

When Jason Botterill was hired, Colorado Avalanche was coming off the worst season by any team in the cap era. Since then they made the playoffs twice, won a round, and are on track to do that again this season.

Since Botterill was hired, Sakic has acquired:
Colin Wilson
Shane Bowers
Sam Girard
Bowen Byram
Vladislav Kamenev
Philip Grubauer
Carl Soderberg
Andre Burakovsky
Nazem Kadri
Joonas Donskoi
Matt Calvert
Valeri Nichushkin

Some great ****ing GM Botterill is!

edit: oh and just by the way, the also have the most cap space in the league

It's just ridiculous, Sakic was able in one summer to add two good wingers in Burakovsky and Donskoi and still get a Kadri (2C). Instead, the great Botterill dragged Vesey, the unnecessary Miller, and left such guys as Sheary and Sobotka, well, at least he signed MoJo, it’s a pity he’s not the center that we needed so much.

 

[Icicle]

When Jason Botterill was hired, Colorado Avalanche was coming off the worst season by any team in the cap era. Since then they made the playoffs twice, won a round, and are on track to do that again this season.

Since Botterill was hired, Sakic has acquired:
Colin Wilson
Shane Bowers
Sam Girard
Bowen Byram
Vladislav Kamenev
Philip Grubauer
Carl Soderberg
Andre Burakovsky
Nazem Kadri
Joonas Donskoi
Matt Calvert
Valeri Nichushkin

Some great ****ing GM Botterill is!

edit: oh and just by the way, the also have the most cap space in the league

A great comparison for Murray. Botterill did not have any of the assets or contract situations that Sakic has had.

 

[Icicle]

It's just ridiculous, Sakic was able in one summer to add two good wingers in Burakovsky and Donskoi and still get a Kadri (2C). Instead, the great Botterill dragged Vesey, the unnecessary Miller, and left such guys as Sheary and Sobotka, well, at least he signed MoJo, it’s a pity he’s not the center that we needed so much.

Beat reporters had Donskoi leaving money on the table to not go to Buffalo. Again, something Sakic couldn't have done IN BUFFALO. Convincing UFAs to move to the hottest growing region for millenials in the country works for itself.

To get Kadri, we were trading Ristolainen, with retention. Are you trading Ristolainen to your top rival?

 

[pigpen65]

I believe Krueger was always the target and that he couldn’t convince him to leave his soccer contract early, so it was two years with literally the hottest coach on the market that off season. Felt good for Buffalo to at least land that for once.

ROR trade was management. Not sure that could’ve been more obvious but hey

We call 3rd rounders top-100 picks to make them sound nicer? The picks that have a historical 2% chance of turning into NHLers? Oh those picks, which filled our roster after Murray left us with zero prospects? Yeah he used them to fill those roles. Even got an elite winger in Skinner for a 2nd. Murray got us Dan Bylsma and couldn’t even get us Jimmy Vesey for a third. Hilarious

Alex Debrincat was drafted with the same pick Murray traded for Josh Gorges. The pick used to aquirer Lehner was one before the Ilya Samsonov pick. And, you know, Draisaitl.

Just forget everything else. Add those 3 players to the roster. None of them needing crazy 20/20 hindsight drafting vision. Just three picks that all would have made perfect rational sense at the time. How much nicer does the future feel at this point with a legit elite 22 year old goalie prospect batting around? A 22 year old 40 goal scoring winger? And, you know, Draisaitl?

 

[Aladyyn]

Alex Debrincat was drafted with the same pick Murray traded for Josh Gorges. The pick used to aquirer Lehner was one before the Ilya Samsonov pick. And, you know, Draisaitl.

Just forget everything else. Add those 3 players to the roster. None of them needing crazy 20/20 hindsight drafting vision. Just three picks that all would have made perfect rational sense at the time. How much nicer does the future feel at this point with a legit elite 22 year old goalie prospect batting around? A 22 year old 40 goal scoring winger? And, you know, Draisaitl?

Draisaitl would be the 4th best forward on this team...

 

[Fjordy]

Beat reporters had Donskoi leaving money on the table to not go to Buffalo. Again, something Sakic couldn't have done IN BUFFALO. Convincing UFAs to move to the hottest growing region for millenials in the country works for itself.

To get Kadri, we were trading Ristolainen, with retention. Are you trading Ristolainen to your top rival?

Why do we need Donskoi, if this idiot has already signed MoJo, add Burakovsky and Kadri and we have a competitive attack. Risto for Kadri would be easy to do in the summer, but the problem is not in Kadri, but in position 2C, there were other options, for these 1.5 years there were many deals with 2/3 C, but Botterill apparently decided that he was so good with this position.

 

[Montag DP]

Draisaitl would be the 4th best forward on this team...

 

[SundherDome]

Beat reporters had Donskoi leaving money on the table to not go to Buffalo. Again, something Sakic couldn't have done IN BUFFALO. Convincing UFAs to move to the hottest growing region for millenials in the country works for itself.

To get Kadri, we were trading Ristolainen, with retention. Are you trading Ristolainen to your top rival?

Probably because this team is a dumpster fire and Colorado has promise and direction. I would leave money on the table to go to a job where I am still paid well and the environment is great and you want to be there.

To the Kadri point, yes, all day every day.

 

[joshjull]

Probably because this team is a dumpster fire and Colorado has promise and direction. I would leave money on the table to go to a job where I am still paid well and the environment is great and you want to be there.

To the Kadri point, yes, all day every day.

That trade would have required a young center like Kerfoot as well. Something we do not have.

Its also a bit much to blame Botts for our long standing status as an undesirable place to play by NHL players.

 

[joshjull]

When Jason Botterill was hired, Colorado Avalanche was coming off the worst season by any team in the cap era. Since then they made the playoffs twice, won a round, and are on track to do that again this season.

Since Botterill was hired, Sakic has acquired:
Colin Wilson
Shane Bowers
Sam Girard
Bowen Byram
Vladislav Kamenev
Philip Grubauer
Carl Soderberg
Andre Burakovsky
Nazem Kadri
Joonas Donskoi
Matt Calvert
Valeri Nichushkin

Some great ****ing GM Botterill is!

edit: oh and just by the way, the also have the most cap space in the league

But Sakic traded away a Conn Smyth winner.......