Injury Report: Jamie Drysdale, RHD | Feb. 26 INJURY UPDATE: week-to-week per Sportsnet [post #1]...evaluated in two weeks

[DancingPanther]

Are you a bender?

I play with semi pros and was 2nd in ppg only to someone who won back to back national player of the year awards as a freshman and sophomore back in 2017.

I had 5g 8a through 5 games. He had 6 and 10.

But I did bend my shoulder so bad it tore my rotator cuff, so yes I guess I am a bender.

 

[MiamiScreamingEagles]

It was generally verboten for a player to discuss a teammate's injury and in the recent past injury updates were funneled through a singular channel (coach/management) as to not have contrary analysis. That said Cam York mentioned Drysdale's injury, equating it with escaping the most significant of concerns. If accurate, at least a couple of days out from the initial injury, then that can be opened for interpretation but at least offers a glimmer of light.

 

[FLYguy3911]

I play with semi pros and was 2nd in ppg only to someone who won back to back national player of the year awards as a freshman and sophomore back in 2017.

I had 5g 8a through 5 games. He had 6 and 10.

But I did bend my shoulder so bad it tore my rotator cuff, so yes I guess I am a bender.

What’s your +/-?

 

[DancingPanther]

What’s your +/-?

-1 shoulder

 

[Flyerfan4life]

i remember when Ellis was week to week..

 

[TheKingPin]

I'd say so, Bern. He was rushed into the NHL at age 18 (by Bob Murray, so we know his evaluation of Drysdale was always too rosy). And the only coach he has ever played for is Dallas Eakins, one of the worst structural guys in the league, on some dumpster fire Ducks teams. I do actually somewhat trust Tortorella and Shaw to develop him better than that.

Glass half-full, Drysdale clearly has ability -- although it sounds like his draft year offensive profile isn't totally incongruous with his NHL one -- and it's a fine gamble to believe his developmental track can be righted. (Again, I want to acknowledge Super Advisor, Bob Murray, was responsible for what happened on the Ducks.) But the Flyers didn't just pay for a half-full glass. They paid for it filled to the brim, along with buying the glass and the coaster and the stool they're sitting on.

They maxed out with Cutter and Owen. The odds will catch up.

I tore my in rotator cuff in November and didn't need a sling or surgery. I missed 2 months of my hockey season and rehabbed for 6 weeks. That was a first time injury. Drysdale's case is one that includes surgical repair and re-injury, so there is significant baseline instability in the joint and risk of connective tissue (re)injury is relatively high in a contact sport. Just because he's not in a sling doesn't mean he has no connective tissue damage. Sommermann has no clluee

There is 7 weeks left in the season. Recall the I had a relarively minor connective tissue injury in my shoulder and missed 6 weeks. Obviously, things are a little different in sports medicine and sports science at the pro level, but it still serves as a reasonable baseline when juxtaposed to Drysdale's situation. It isn't out of the question that he is shut down for the rest of the year. In fact that is what I'd expect given his age and injury history.

Did you tear your labrum as well? I think that’s what Drysdale had repaired which is what gives a lot of stability and strength. A reinjury there is devastating. I am guessing he avoided that and strained his rotator cuff which just a collection of 4 muscles.

 

[BernieParent]

i remember when Ellis was week to week..

What they said was "weak, too weak".

 

[Curufinwe]

It was generally verboten for a player to discuss a teammate's injury and in the recent past injury updates were funneled through a singular channel (coach/management) as to not have contrary analysis. That said Cam York mentioned Drysdale's injury, equating it with escaping the most significant of concerns. If accurate, at least a couple of days out from the initial injury, then that can be opened for interpretation but at least offers a glimmer of light.

They are best buds so maybe York has a little more leeway to give out good-ish news.

If it was bad news, I'm sure he would have said nothing.

 

[Amorgus]

What they said was "weak, too weak".

Did someone say "two weeks"?

 

[Embiid]

What they said was "weak, too weak".

Flyers favorite soloist is The Weak..end

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

why does it feel like they let Cutter push them around and ended up making a bum deal...

Way too early to say this is a bum deal. Or are we ready to get that HHOF plaque ready for Cutter.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

You're not a problem if you quit your job because of the endless bullshit you have dealt with from management are you? Of course not, that's your right. Hell, it should even be encouraged.

Cutter "quit" management. He didn't quit his job. He had every right to do what he did, and I encourage it. f*** the Flyers, they deserve this

Endless bullshit? Because the Flyers wouldn’t gift him a spot? It was what 16 months where he announced to the hockey world he is a selfish, conceited jackass. You’re right he has every right to say I don’t want to sign. But he handled it like a coward.
That would be like me telling my coworker I don’t want to work here anymore and walk out the door letting my coworker to tell the boss I quit. f*** him.
Oh and I know Flyer management has a shit ton of issues their own. To absolve Cutter of this because the Flyers are run by idiots is wrong.

 

[DancingPanther]

Endless bullshit? Because the Flyers wouldn’t gift him a spot? It was what 16 months where he announced to the hockey world he is a selfish, conceited jackass. You’re right he has every right to say I don’t want to sign. But he handled it like a coward.
That would be like me telling my coworker I don’t want to work here anymore and walk out the door letting my coworker to tell the boss I quit. f*** him.
Oh and I know Flyer management has a shit ton of issues their own. To absolve Cutter of this because the Flyers are run by idiots is wrong.

The Flyers f***ed it up by Flyering and Tortorellaing. They deserve this. I can guarantee Cutter is still a Flyer if this org wasn't up their own ass. It's pretty clear who the real problem is in this situation

 

[Curufinwe]

I don't see what was cowardly about it. He told them he didn't want to play in Philly less than a year after they drafted him, and two months after his college season ended and they refused to sign him to an ELC.

 

[Magua]

I'm just glad I don't have to spend the better part of a decade litigating Gauthier's game like we did with Provorov. Weight lifted, mental health win.

The Flyers farting around and Cutter "Clutch Gene" Gauthier coming off as arrogant can both be true. But I'll be honest: I don't think the team did anything that egregious pre-trade, and I'm ignoring my less rosy opinion of the player. My issue is with how they handled the trade and the IBX-sponsored smear campaign afterwards.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

I would just like to know what his actual reasons for not signing were. In the statement he put out it was something like multiple reasons over a period of time iirc, but Danny said it was only a couple months after he was drafted that he said he wanted out. So what multiple things happened in that short time?

There was talk of him wanting to sign after his Freshman year, but when he went back, Danny said that was his decision. Now maybe Danny was just covering up his refusal to sign, who knows. There's too much still unknown for me to have much of an opinion one way or another.

Now, I don't buy the keeping it quiet to save his value line. The teams they talked to knew what was up. The public knowing wouldn't matter except that it might look bad on the org, which I find a more likely motivation.

And yea the whole " If you don't want to be here, we don't want you" was nonsense. It smacked of sour grapes, and wasn't very professional.

 

[Curufinwe]

I just think they were in a sate of upheaval in March, 2023 and miscalculated. I'm sure if Briere could go back in time he would sign Gauthier to his ELC and he'd be in the second year of it now.

Here's Briere saying he hopes Gauthier can be an NHL center in June, 2023. This was after he told the Flyers he would never play for them.

 

[Magua]

I would just like to know what his actual reasons for not signing were. In the statement he put out it was something like multiple reasons over a period of time iirc, but Danny said it was only a couple months after he was drafted that he said he wanted out. So what multiple things happened in that short time?

There was talk of him wanting to sign after his Freshman year, but when he went back, Danny said that was his decision. Now maybe Danny was just covering up his refusal to sign, who knows. There's too much still unknown for me to have much of an opinion one way or another.

Now, I don't buy the keeping it quiet to save his value line. The teams they talked to knew what was up. The public knowing wouldn't matter except that it might look bad on the org, which I find a more likely motivation.

And yea the whole " If you don't want to be here, we don't want you" was nonsense. It smacked of sour grapes, and wasn't very professional.

While I'm sure it was several things, the only public explanation floated that sounds plausible is Gauthier was offended that the Flyers suggested he would need to earn his spot and might need to go to the AHL at age 19. Certainly, not burning an ELC year last spring is also plausible.

Why would you play games with a player you (not me) think is integral to your franchise? Why would a 19 year old take umbrage at the hockey culture cliched idea of earning a spot? Believing all parties involved suck, not to mention thinking Gauthier was overrated, has helped me immensely.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

While I'm sure it was several things, the only public explanation floated that sounds plausible is Gauthier was offended that the Flyers suggested he would need to earn his spot and might need to go to the AHL at age 19. Certainly, not burning an ELC year last spring is also plausible.

Why would you play games with a player you (not me) think is integral to your franchise? Why would a 19 year old take umbrage at the hockey culture cliched idea of earning a spot? Believing all parties involved suck, not to mention thinking Gauthier was overrated, has helped me immensely.

Yea I forgot about the roster spot stuff. Honestly as annoying as the "Earn it" line is, and I think they take it to ridiculous extremes, I don't have a problem with the org telling a prospect they're not guaranteed a spot. And if you're clutch gene guy, why should you care? You know you're going to get that spot with all your clutchness. Would seem pretty insecure if that made him that upset. Maybe he thought he would get jerked around, and we've certainly seen that before. I do wonder how this plays with the timeline Danny put out. Was he asking for a guarantee right after being drafted? Water under the bridge at this point. Now its just hope Drysdale can recover and get caught up physically and also developmentally. Him being fully healthy from here on out still doesn't change the missed time.

 

[Embiid]

I just think they were in a sate of upheaval in March, 2023 and miscalculated. I'm sure if Briere could go back in time he would sign Gauthier to his ELC and he'd be in the second year of it now.

Here's Briere saying he hopes Gauthier can be an NHL center in June, 2023. This was after he told the Flyers he would never play for them.

From top six guy to deep sixed...

 

[scumpup]

both gauthier and the flyers are shitheads. both can be true, and both are true.

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

Drysdale had a public appearance / autograph signing today. He was not in a sling of any type. Appeared to have full use of his left arm/shoulder.

I’d take that as a good sign.

Probably just a regular old dislocated shoulder.

 

[BritainStix]

Drysdale had a public appearance / autograph signing today. He was not in a sling of any type. Appeared to have full use of his left arm/shoulder.

I’d take that as a good sign.

Probably just a regular old dislocated shoulder.

This is all lies. I haven't seen a single picture with Drysdale showing that he even has a left arm. I was reliably informed his arm did infact come completely off during contact.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

This is all lies. I haven't seen a single picture with Drysdale showing that he even has a left arm. I was reliably informed his arm did infact come completely off during contact.

inB4 Ellis victim....

 

[Embiid]

Drysdale's rehab with the Flyers PT staff