Value of: James Neal at $3M
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The term is what makes it tough to move him. They should keep him for another year and try to dump him off on Seattle.
780il
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We already have enough dead money on the books from retention/buyouts. Hold onto him for a year and try to ship him to Seattle. If a big FA (aka Pietrangelo) wants to sign here and we desperately need space then just buy him out and go for it.
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How many retention does Edmonton have ? You can only have 2 I believe (maybe that's buyouts)
You could deal Neal for real and maybe as a steal if you include a nice piece.
You could deal Neal for real and maybe as a steal if you include a nice piece.
ChaoticOrange
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this is the correct answer. Teams can go 10% over in the offseason. If someone crazy wants to sign here, do it and figure the back end out later
Edmonton has 1 retention of the 3 they can have. They can have as many buyouts as they want as far as I know.
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I haven't paid attention, but has JVR fallen off that much? He was a good top 6 forward a few years ago.
What would you offer Seattle to take him out of mild curiosity ?
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Something to consider in the future. Can’t tell what values of our assets will be in a years time. Or how Neals play will be next season impacting his values, although having one less year makes it an easier dump to take on.
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How not? A playoff contender at the deadline with minimal cap space doesn’t want to bring on a perennial 20 goal scorer that brings grit, leadership, and tons of playoff experience? And he’s not even a rental? He’s 33, not 37. I agree, Neal at $5.75M with three years left is a big turn off, but $3M? That’s a different story entirely.
Rick Nash got a 1st as a rental and that’s pretty damn similar. Both 33, both declined in recent years, but still playing at 20 goal/.5 PPG pace.
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If someone was willing to offer a 1st or 2nd for Neal with retention he would have been gone by now.
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It takes two to tango. Oilers were buyers not sellers at the deadline this year. Oilers might do it for a first, but why would they do it for a late second or even worse? To them is Neal at $2.75M (compared to retaining $3M) a year worth more than the pick? Likely so for the reasons I mentioned above. But agree to disagree.
Mick Jagr
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Mick Jagr
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As soon as he left Toronto, his production began to decline considerably. Now Philly has an overpaid winger they don't even use in their top 6 making 7 million dollars for the next 3 years. Yikes.
Neal is total deadweight.
If you max retain, he costs 3 3rds, one for each yr of his deal to move vs a nothing return, like a 7th rd pick, w/or w/o condition(s).
Marleau standards says 6m = 1 yr.
He is just shy of that at 5.75 x 3.
If no retention, almost 3 1sts to move by the math.
Would certainly be two 1sts +, assuming no lesser deadweight going the other way to reduce.
If you max retain, he costs 3 3rds, one for each yr of his deal to move vs a nothing return, like a 7th rd pick, w/or w/o condition(s).
Marleau standards says 6m = 1 yr.
He is just shy of that at 5.75 x 3.
If no retention, almost 3 1sts to move by the math.
Would certainly be two 1sts +, assuming no lesser deadweight going the other way to reduce.
While it’s true that JVR has been a disappointment for the Flyers, it doesn’t feel like he’s quite fallen to James Neal level disappointment at this point in time. He’s younger than Neal and has been putting up an impressive points to toi ratio that shows he still has some offensive gas in the tank. I’d say that JVR has next to no value right now, but I’d also say that Neal has more negative value. I don’t think the contracts quite balance it out without some retention on Neal. It feels as though he’s been relegated to bottom six duties due to his lack of play away from the puck and his coasting(qualities Neal is known for as well)
If the Flyers disagree though, the Oilers should take the deal and run. If we ignore his disappointing playoffs, JVR is clearly the better player here and would probably still pot a number of goals playing with the supporting cast on the Oilers who would be forced to use him in the top6 due to lack of depth.
