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Jacob Trouba Vs Morgan Rielly
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Maukkis
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the heat map and you can laugh at how you are wrong for not believing that
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There are plenty of legitimate reasons to go with Trouba in this poll. You managed to mention none of those however, so congratulations I guess.
Guess Perrault is better forward than Crosby cause Perrault is in round three and Crosby isn't.
So Doughty isn't as good as Trouba, cause Doughty a # 1 Dmen, didn't get out of the first round.
Thanks for providing a scale of value, which no one else would ever use.
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Perrault doesn't play top line minutes like Crosby.
Doughty won two cups and a Norris.
Sorry facts hurt Leaf fans' feelings so much.
Sorry we're talking about the here and now. By your logic Henri Richard is the greatest hockey player ever.
Trouba is good but geez, he certainly isn't a star, the Jets have done a great job of having a number of good Dman which has carried them this far this season. Something like Vegas, their Dman lack star power but somehow they are in final four.
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Their defence doesn't lack star power. Buff is a bona fide #1 and has been demonstrating that for the entire post-season. Trouba, Myers, and Morrissey are all #2-3 dmen. They have one of the most stacked top 4 defence in the league. Sounds like you just don't watch Winnipeg enough because of the difference in time zones.
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Nope. Rielly this year eclipsed any of Trouba's seasons, and he did it playing with Ron freaking Hainsey.
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Reily for me but not by a lot. I do think Trouba is better on the defensive side which certainly closes the gap.
By looking at those heat maps you are doing your best to ignore any other relevant stats. Travis Dermott and Jake Gardiner have better looking heat maps than Rielly as well, but he's miles better than either. So really the only valid conclusion is that yes, the Jets are significantly better defensively than the Leafs. I'm pretty sure everyone in the universe is unanimous on that. Despite the Leafs defense being so terrible, they allowed the 11th fewest goals against in the league this year.
The question of goaltending comes from a simple concept: garbage defense results in goals against. If the puck ain't going in the net, then the defense is fine. Why is it that Rielly's goalies had better save percentages at 5on5 if Rielly is a tire fire and giving away so many high quality chances? Is it that Andersen should be the one up for the Vezina? Or is it that a 1 shot per 60 minutes difference means very little? GA/60 is another good stat for looking at a similar sort of thing and every single one of the Jets defenseman, every single one, has a better (lower) xGA than Rielly does. I really don't believe for a hot second that the Jets employ 6 defensemen who are better than any of the Leafs D . In my earlier post, I gave the edge to Trouba defensively, but there is simply way too much more analysis to be done than a couple of simple heat maps on these players.
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Here are some more heat maps just for funsies
Who's better? Ghost?
Here's another really good one
Hmmm. I don't think Pietrangelo is bad defensively!
And what does this have anything to do with? All I see is you trying to dis-credit shot qaulity not make an argument for who is better between Trouba or Rielly...
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trouba has a solid postseason and everyone jumps back on the bandwagon again.
what was he the jets #3dman this year?
Rielly the clear cut #1 on a 105pt team, and 52pts in 76 games but losing this poll. no other dude who had almost 30pts more as a dman would lose the poll aside from a leafs player
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what was he the jets #3dman this year?
Rielly the clear cut #1 on a 105pt team, and 52pts in 76 games but losing this poll. no other dude who had almost 30pts more as a dman would lose the poll aside from a leafs player
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I'm trying to discredit using any one single metric as the sum total of analysis. It's also a response to another post. I made my argument about the two on the previous page, where I gave the edge to Trouba defensively.
It's almost as if looking at points isn't the best way to judge defenceman. Especially when point totals are boosted from playing on a great powerplay.
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On the Jets I think you definitely take Trouba.
Buff is already a very offensive minded guy, and combined with the Jets forward talent, I would rather take someone more sound defensively.
One of the Leafs problems this year has been teams exposing their poor D (not necessarily Rielly).
If your team lacks an offensive defenseman, take Rielly, if they lack a defensive defenseman, take Trouba.
Buff is already a very offensive minded guy, and combined with the Jets forward talent, I would rather take someone more sound defensively.
One of the Leafs problems this year has been teams exposing their poor D (not necessarily Rielly).
If your team lacks an offensive defenseman, take Rielly, if they lack a defensive defenseman, take Trouba.
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Ah yes, the incredibly intelligent way to judge defensemen “how many points they score”
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