Jack Hughes vs Moritz Seider

[Buck Naked]

Hughes is leading the NHL in goal-above-replacement at 17.5 through 41 games. If he continues that pace, it will be the best single-season, in terms of GAR, since Pavel Datsyuk in 2008-09 (Datsyuk had 97 points and won Selke that year).

Hughes is absolutely in Hart trophy conversation.

"No one cares about GAR."

 

[Pavels Dog]

The idea that they thought he was good enough for the NHL but opted against it because of a couple weeks of game time is funny to me. And again, no other team made this same calculation that playing over an 8-week period in the Fall outweighed playing in the league that matched the player's developmental level. Or better yet, that they couldn't do both.

Mid-october to mid-january is not an "8 week period". If Seider did not play during the fall, he would have gone around 8-9 months without playing a game. Very few teams or prospects were in a similar situation to Seider and the Wings. Let me guess; you think Seider didn't play at the WJC that year because he wasn't good enough?

 

[Hisch13r]

Hughes is leading the NHL in goal-above-replacement at 17.5 through 41 games. If he continues that pace, it will be the best single-season, in terms of GAR, since Pavel Datsyuk in 2008-09 (Datsyuk had 97 points and won Selke that year).

Hughes is absolutely in Hart trophy conversation.

It's pretty how funny Jack continually gets disrespected. It's been going on since before he was drafted and I don't imagine it's going to stop anytime soon.

 

[norrisnick]

It's pretty how funny Jack continually gets disrespected. It's been going on since before he was drafted and I don't imagine it's going to stop anytime soon.

Blame his parents. Something about the name Jack...

 

[raymond23]

1st overall pick vs 6th overall pick

Give me Hughes (Seider is elite tho)

 

[Zubrus Coffee Maker]

I think Seider is amazing and is just in a sophomore slump this year, but i’m taking Jack

 

[Favin]

Nobody cares

Many do not know.
Some do not care.

Hart voters know and care.

 

[Favin]

It's pretty how funny Jack continually gets disrespected. It's been going on since before he was drafted and I don't imagine it's going to stop anytime soon.

Hughes is a threat to people's hockey ethos. Many are stuck in antiquated views.

Hard, physical, grinding. Dump and chase. Its a game for men.

Hughes failing was supposed to be their reaffirmation.

But Hughes' success has come to represent the NHL that is coming, not the NHL that has been. And that has been hard for them to accept.

 

[Clam Jensen]

It's pretty how funny Jack continually gets disrespected. It's been going on since before he was drafted and I don't imagine it's going to stop anytime soon.

And people wonder why we keep popping up in these threads dunking on their shitty takes.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Hughes is leading the NHL in goal-above-replacement at 17.5 through 41 games. If he continues that pace, it will be the best single-season, in terms of GAR, since Pavel Datsyuk in 2008-09 (Datsyuk had 97 points and won Selke that year).

Hughes is absolutely in Hart trophy conversation.

If by in the Hart conversation you mean has a shot at being a finalist then sure. He’s nowhere close to winning it.

 

[Xirik]

If by in the Hart conversation you mean has a shot at being a finalist then sure. He’s nowhere close to winning it.

honestly being 2nd behind Mcdavid should be an entire new award.

 

[Crabapple]

Mo for the Oilers, Hughes for anyone else probably.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Your first part, he's not even an elite nhl player. You are the one who needs to cope with that.

As predicted, this has aged nicely.

 

[Hisch13r]

As predicted, this has aged nicely.

It didn’t even need to age poorly. It was already flat out ridiculous when it was said. When they said that Hughes had 97 pts in his previous 77 games

 

[Yasuo]

Seider
Zegras
Hughes

Zegras really? That post has aged like milk i hope you at least reconsider that opinion lol

 

[TBF1972]

Zegras really? That post has aged like milk i hope you at least reconsider that opinion lol

he is a rangers fan. him rating hughes above kakko was generous.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Zegras really? That post has aged like milk i hope you at least reconsider that opinion lol

it says they last posted over a year ago so idk if theyll answer..

im sure theyd agree though that looks silly with hindsight; opinions are allowed to be changed!

 

[dekelikekocur]

As predicted, this has aged nicely.

When the comment was made it held true, times change? Just because you can't improve doesn't meant others don't.

 

[The S5]

It was ridiculous when it was posted and even more ridiculous now. Welcome to HF.

 

[LemonSauceD]

When the comment was made it held true, times change? Just because you can't improve doesn't meant others don't.

That was a crock of shit comment lol regardless

 

[TBF1972]

When the comment was made it held true, times change? Just because you can't improve doesn't meant others don't.

time to double down

the 18 points in the first 7 games is an outlier. the last game with ZERO points is a more meaningful sample size

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Zegras really? That post has aged like milk i hope you at least reconsider that opinion lol

Ehh, Pronman as of two weeks ago was ranking Zegras, Cozens, and Caufield all over Seider in a redraft.

... So Ignorance isn't as hard to come by as you may think.

 

[dekelikekocur]

time to double down

the 18 points in the first 7 games is an outlier. the last game with ZERO points is a more meaningful sample size

Did I say that? Before you try to put words in other peoples mouths', figure out how to make them come out of your own intelligently.

 

[Hisch13r]

When the comment was made it held true, times change? Just because you can't improve doesn't meant others don't.

Literally wasn’t true at the time.

 

[Machinehead]

LMAO I voted for Seider.

I think I was probably just mad at somebody that day.