Player Discussion Jack Eichel Pt. 10. Yes, 10.

[Mattilaus]

The fact that he is reportedly travelling across the country to try and find anyone else who will sign off on ADR is telling you everything you need to know.

 

[ORRFForever]

The fact that he is reportedly travelling across the country to try and find anyone else who will sign off on ADR is telling you everything you need to know.

Well said.

Doesn't he realize he could spend the rest of his life in a chair?

The confidence, er, um, arrogance of youth.

 

[ORRFForever]

Darren Dreger and Ray Ferraro discussed Jack Eichel's situation on their Ray & Dregs podcast. The first episode for this season was released this morning. It seems Eichel is seeing neck specialists on the west coast concerning the ADR surgery. If Eichel finds other doctors who reaffirm ADR is the right path going forward, chances are Eichel will get the disc replacement and he will miss several months. Spinal fusion is the other alternative. Eichel won't be playing anytime soon.

‎The Ray & Dregs Hockey Podcast: Summer Is Over, Hockey Returning on Apple Podcasts

Not sure why a 2nd opinion would change the Sabres mind? They're still on the hook for the $50M.

 

[Jim Bob]

Well said.

Doesn't he realize he could spend the rest of his life in a chair?

The confidence, er, um, arrogance of youth.

I think it's more like Prusmack is a really good salesperson and nobody has gotten to Eichel to really overestimate the risk of a catastrophic injury.

 

[ORRFForever]

I think it's more like Prusmack is a really good salesperson and nobody has gotten to Eichel to really overestimate the risk of a catastrophic injury.

His parents need to step in and provide some common sense.

 

[Kg810]

You guys are in favor of fusion?

 

[Jim Bob]

His parents need to step in and provide some common sense.

I would only listen to my parents because they are both nurses.

Listening to Prusmack on the 31 Thoughts pod, I get why Eichel wants ADR. It is a quicker recovery and better long term outcomes with no proven increased risk of injury for the remainder of his career.

 

[Jim Bob]

You guys are in favor of fusion?

I believe there are pros and cons to either procedure.

 

[Kg810]

I believe there are pros and cons to either procedure.

I agree, and from readings it seems like ADR has more pros than Fusion and less cons.

But it seems like the posters above are all blindly in favor of fusion because it's what the team wants.

 

[Jacob582]

You guys are in favor of fusion?

I'm in favor of no surgery.

 

[Jim Bob]

I agree, and from readings it seems like ADR has more pros than Fusion and less cons.

But it seems like the posters above are all blindly in favor of fusion because it's what the team wants.

The huge con to ADR is that no NHLer has ever had it done.

https://buffalospinesurgery.com/dr-andrew-cappuccino

Plus, the Sabres team spinal surgeon has been a principle investigator on international teams of doctors who have developed artificial disc replacements for the neck and back. So, if he doesn't believe that ADR is right for Eichel, most fans would not argue with him.

 

[Jim Bob]

I'm in favor of no surgery.

It seems like the injury is not going to resolve without surgery.

If rest and rehab hasn't worked to this point, it never will.

 

[Jacob582]

It seems like the injury is not going to resolve without surgery.

If rest and rehab hasn't worked to this point, it never will.

We just don't know.

 

[TehDoak]

You guys are in favor of fusion?

In the end its not our neck or career.

I'm for whatever ends this gong show quickest at this point

 

[Jacob582]

Like they said there has been some progress between Brisson and KA.

The fact that if surgery is needed the Sabres look ready for it to happen on their watch, is a change from earlier this summer.

 

[Jim Bob]

We need Eichel Episode 11.

 

[Mattilaus]

I agree, and from readings it seems like ADR has more pros than Fusion and less cons.

But it seems like the posters above are all blindly in favor of fusion because it's what the team wants.

I am in favour of whatever the majority of experts have indicated is appropriate. I know this is a hot take in the current political climate.

 

[TehDoak]

The fact that he is reportedly travelling across the country to try and find anyone else who will sign off on ADR is telling you everything you need to know.

So, I just listed what he said. He said he was seeing a specialist(s) on the west coast. Not that he was shopping around for one. You make it sound like he's going specialist to specialist trying to get a rubber stamp. It could be a specialist the team picked out, it could be an insurance appointed specialist, it could be someone the other ADR surgeon recommended.

 

[Mattilaus]

So, I just listed what he said. He said he was seeing a specialist(s) on the west coast. Not that he was shopping around for one. You make it sound like he's going specialist to specialist trying to get a rubber stamp. It could be a specialist the team picked out, it could be an insurance appointed specialist, it could be someone the other ADR surgeon recommended.

I don't disagree, but if there was a specialist likely to recommend ADR anywhere closer than clear across the country do you not think they would have picked that one?

 

[Kg810]

The huge con to ADR is that no NHLer has ever had it done.

https://buffalospinesurgery.com/dr-andrew-cappuccino

Plus, the Sabres team spinal surgeon has been a principle investigator on international teams of doctors who have developed artificial disc replacements for the neck and back. So, if he doesn't believe that ADR is right for Eichel, most fans would not argue with him.

But is that really a con directly to ADR? I don't think it is. There is a difference between "no one has done it before in the NHL" and "no one in the NHL wants to get it or wants to get it anymore seeing the results"

Has Dr. Cappuccino or anyone from the team that invented ADR said why ADR is not suitable for athletes?

 

[markpenske]

who would have thought an innocent body check against the Islanders would have caused so much drama. I don't remember who threw that check, was it Cizikas that changed the course of this team?

 

[Zach716]

His parents need to step in and provide some common sense.

Supposedly, his dad Bob stood up in a meeting and said that Jack will never play another game again for Buffalo so I don't think hoping the parents to be reasonable will come to fruition.

who would have thought an innocent body check against the Islanders would have caused so much drama. I don't remember who threw that check, was it Cizikas that changed the course of this team?

He should have never been on the ice that night to begin with. It wasn't 100% random unlucky innocent hit.

 

[Jim Bob]

But is that really a con directly to ADR? I don't think it is. There is a difference between "no one has done it before in the NHL" and "no one in the NHL wants to get it or wants to get it anymore seeing the results"

Has Dr. Cappuccino or anyone from the team that invented ADR said why ADR is not suitable for athletes?

It is a con in that there is a lack of data.

The concern with ADR is that in theory there is an increased risk for paralysis over fusion.

 

[haseoke39]

You guys are in favor of fusion?

I'm in favor of the procedure that the majority of doctors, and all the disinterested doctors, seem to be advocating.

From what I can tell, there's one guy who's trying to make a career out of pioneering this for contact sports, and he hasn't convinced his peers.

I wouldn't want that risk on my team.

 

[Jim Bob]

I'm in favor of the procedure that the majority of doctors, and all the disinterested doctors, seem to be advocating.

From what I can tell, there's one guy who's trying to make a career out of pioneering this for contact sports, and he hasn't convinced his peers.

I wouldn't want that risk on my team.

Chris Wiedman had his ADR performed by a different doctor.

K. DANIEL RIEW, MD | Cervical Spine Surgeon - Doctor | Professor of Orthopedic Surgery | Columbia University | New York

So, it's not like Prusmack is the only surgeon that is looking to use ADR with athletes that play contact sports.