Confirmed with Link: Ivan Provorov Signs Extension - 6 Years/$40.5M ($6.75AAV)

[NYCFlyer]

In the last 33 years, the lowest Norris trophy winner had 50 points (Blake and Chara).

Wow. I guess we need to give him a little more PP1 time. So who is the future competition? Jones, Dahlin...heiskanen?

 

[Rebels57]

I wish I was his first born child.

 

[Chicken Chaser]

his stick is short, not Niinimaa short, but short. Always catches my eye in a no-homo way.

 

[dingbathero]

The Tsar of Philadelphia

 

[Domino666]

Still a work in progress, though his play in the playoffs was close to elite.
He's going to be very good in 2-3 years, but maybe we expect too much of him.
Biggest issue are those bad turnovers in his own D-zone, that has to be corrected.

So you’re saying he’s a bust?

 

[onlylordsvsmorebp]

So you’re saying he’s a bust?

rtp...did you purposely misspell "idiot" on you avatar?

 

[hatcher]

best we got but aways to go.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Still a work in progress, though his play in the playoffs was close to elite.
He's going to be very good in 2-3 years, but maybe we expect too much of him.
Biggest issue are those bad turnovers in his own D-zone, that has to be corrected.

he does turn the puck over. But so does PK Subban, John Carlson,Aaron Ekblad and Brent Burns who all had more giveaways then Provorov.
The kid is approaching elite level for a defenseman.

 

[Rebels57]

he does turn the puck over. But so does PK Subban, John Carlson,Aaron Ekblad and Brent Burns who all had more giveaways then Provorov.
The kid is approaching elite level for a defenseman.

I'm surprised you replied to that hilariously misinformed post to be honest

 

[wankstifier]

Wow. I guess we need to give him a little more PP1 time. So who is the future competition? Jones, Dahlin...heiskanen?

Add Gostisbehere, Werenski, McAvoy, Hamilton, Hedman, Doughty, Karlsson, Ekman-Larsson, Klingberg, Manson, Hanifin, Sergachev, Subban, Giordano, etc. Some of these guys are 25+, but they're going to get Norris votes over Provorov.

I could see Karlsson, Doughty and Hedman exchanging Norris wins into their early 30s, with an odd win from a defenseman having a career offensive year.

 

[Jtown]

I remember watching tape of the draft that year, and thinking that werenski and provy were much better than Hanifan. Glad we lucked into one of them.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I'm surprised you replied to that hilariously misinformed post to be honest

normally I wouldnt. But that comment just irritated me.

 

[Deadpool8812]

Extend him now

 

[bennysflyers16]

Extend him now

Yup, he is VERY GOOD right now and will be ELITE as soon as this year. 8 yrs 50 mill is my offer, but will go as high as 64 mill right now, hes that good.

 

[FLYguy3911]

64 million? Sheesh. You're not a good bargainer.

 

[deadhead]

Provorov has a way to go, people tend to go to extremes, players are either overrated or totally trashed around here.
Just looking at the 35 D-men who had 1400+ 5x5 minutes, the guys who carry their defense:

Provorov
14th in PP/60
21st in Corsi
25th in CorsiRel
22nd in xGF
23rd in xGFrel
I'd say he's 20th or so overall among the #1 type defensemen

The top D-men:
ranking - pp60 - Corsi/CorsiRel - xGF/xGFrel
Hamilton 9th - 2nd/2nd - 3rd/2nd
Klingberg 2nd - 9th/12th - 4th/5th
Karlsson 1st - 20th/4th - 29th/12th
Hedman 3rd - 14th/21st - 9th/22nd
Giordano 18th - 1st/1st - 1st/1st
Slavin 19th - 3rd/19th - 5th/6th

Letang 30th - 4th/9th - 6th/8th
Jones 12th - 6th/7th - 11th/18th
Burns 11th - 8th/3rd - 14th/25th
Doughty 16th - 11th/8th - 17th/4th
Werenski 15th - 7th/11th - 10th/19th
Subban 13th - 16th/22nd - 18th/25th
Suter 23rd - 16th/10th - 2nd/3rd
Lindell 31st - 12th/15th - 7th/14th

 

[Prongo]

If you can get him in the 6 million figure you lock him up for 8 years and not worry about that problem for almost a decade.

Hexy has been excellent signing his talent to new deals as RFAs. Hope it continues.

 

[Prongo]

Lol there’s no overrating a 21 year old defenseman who is already your teams #1 defender.

If he has a ways to go I can’t wait to see what he plays like when he is say 23/24.

 

[Oskar Man]

Provorov has a way to go, people tend to go to extremes, players are either overrated or totally trashed around here.
Just looking at the 35 D-men who had 1400+ 5x5 minutes, the guys who carry their defense:

Provorov
14th in PP/60
21st in Corsi
25th in CorsiRel
22nd in xGF
23rd in xGFrel
I'd say he's 20th or so overall among the #1 type defensemen

The top D-men:
ranking - pp60 - Corsi/CorsiRel - xGF/xGFrel
Hamilton 9th - 2nd/2nd - 3rd/2nd
Klingberg 2nd - 9th/12th - 4th/5th
Karlsson 1st - 20th/4th - 29th/12th
Hedman 3rd - 14th/21st - 9th/22nd
Giordano 18th - 1st/1st - 1st/1st
Slavin 19th - 3rd/19th - 5th/6th

Letang 30th - 4th/9th - 6th/8th
Jones 12th - 6th/7th - 11th/18th
Burns 11th - 8th/3rd - 14th/25th
Doughty 16th - 11th/8th - 17th/4th
Werenski 15th - 7th/11th - 10th/19th
Subban 13th - 16th/22nd - 18th/25th
Suter 23rd - 16th/10th - 2nd/3rd
Lindell 31st - 12th/15th - 7th/14th

You admit he's a top-20ish defenseman, at 21 years old, but think he's overrated...

I'm not following.

 

[deadhead]

People talk about him as if he's already an elite defenseman.
Someday perhaps, but not today.
Provorov would be the first to tell you he has a lot of areas to work on, cutting down on turnovers, improving his skating, learning how to run a power play, etc.

Look, I was one of the earliest supporters of THE MACHINE.
I think in 2-3 years he's going to be a top ten defenseman, but he's not quite there yet.

 

[FlyTimmo]

People talk about him as if he's already an elite defenseman.
Someday perhaps, but not today.
Provorov would be the first to tell you he has a lot of areas to work on, cutting down on turnovers, improving his skating, learning how to run a power play, etc.

Look, I was one of the earliest supporters of THE MACHINE.
I think in 2-3 years he's going to be a top ten defenseman, but he's not quite there yet.

Having an argument about what is a "elite" is a waste of time. It is a subjective term. Someone might say Ivan is elite, and think that he is a top ~15-25 defenseman in the league. You might say he isn't elite, but also think he is a top ~15-25 defenseman in the league.

 

[deadhead]

To me, the term "elite" is meaning less if it applies to more than a handful of players.
Provorov is certainly a #1 defenseman, and he's probably around 20th in the league at age 21.

But to be elite to me means you in the top 5-10 at most. Otherwise it falls prey to the Lake Woebegone effect.
To be "a generational talent" you have to be the best (or close to best) player for an extended period, McJesus is a generational talent, EK is not.

 

[FlyTimmo]

To me, the term "elite" is meaning less if it applies to more than a handful of players.
Provorov is certainly a #1 defenseman, and he's probably around 20th in the league at age 21.

But to be elite to me means you in the top 5-10 at most. Otherwise it falls prey to the Lake Woebegone effect.
To be "a generational talent" you have to be the best (or close to best) player for an extended period, McJesus is a generational talent, EK is not.

It is subjective. I'm not having this discussion.

 

[wankstifier]

Lol there’s no overrating a 21 year old defenseman who is already your teams #1 defender.

If he has a ways to go I can’t wait to see what he plays like when he is say 23/24.

When there's so much bias toward a player as to deter conversation about their weaknesses, then there's some unreasonable rating going on.

Contracts for talented young D in RFA years have been all over the place in recent years--Gostisbehere's and Klingberg's salaries are both low while Parayko's and Ekblad's are both high. So there's some question on precedent for settling on salary of $6-8 MM. Show me how you arrive at that range and I'll stop questioning you.

 

[Oskar Man]

People talk about him as if he's already an elite defenseman.
Someday perhaps, but not today.
Provorov would be the first to tell you he has a lot of areas to work on, cutting down on turnovers, improving his skating, learning how to run a power play, etc.

Look, I was one of the earliest supporters of THE MACHINE.
I think in 2-3 years he's going to be a top ten defenseman, but he's not quite there yet.

I haven't seen a single person on this board argue he was a top 10 Dman. IF his game doesn't mature as he ages, yeah he'll fall into that mid-tier #1 category. However, for his age group, he sure as shit is elite.