Confirmed with Link: Ivan Provorov Signs Extension - 6 Years/$40.5M ($6.75AAV)

[Dumpster Flyers]

Seems like people still can’t tell the difference between merely playing poorly and regressing.

Short-sighted and dramatic.

I hope you're right, and firing Hakstol will solve all the team's problems

 

[Striiker]

Uh oh, I triggered him so hard he broke out the burner!

 

[nuclear reactor]

Legitimate discussion. Get over it.

He should be fine though. Provorov, Gostisbehere, Sanhim, Konency - heck all of young players, are underperforming. Hakstol is the problem.

 

[Magua]

Uh oh, I triggered him so hard he broke out the burner!

Plural. It’s a party now.

 

[Tripod]

I hope you're right, and firing Hakstol will solve all the team's problems

Says ONLY the people that see to want to defend Hak.

Everyone else says it's 1 STEP in fixing the Flyers issues.

 

[Striiker]

Plural. It’s a party now.

 

[Striiker]

Says ONLY the people that see to want to defend Hak.

Everyone else says it's 1 STEP in fixing the Flyers issues.

Still waiting for someone to quote a post saying he’s the only problem.


Just waiting.








And waiting.









And waiting.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Multiple personalities and a Kobe fan. At least the former is forgivable.

 

[Dumpster Flyers]

Says ONLY the people that see to want to defend Hak.

Everyone else says it's 1 STEP in fixing the Flyers issues.

I dislike Hakstol, but I think it's disingenuous and boring to reduce every discussion into a coaching bash-fest. It's legal to criticize Provorov even if he has a bad coach.

 

[Magua]

 

[kudymen]

Uh oh, I triggered him so hard he broke out the burner!

There was a 4th one, hope he hasn't lost password

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

 

[Freddy The Fog]

I think he’s playing the season hurt. He’ll be fine next camp. Maybe sooner depending on what it is. Still... if it helps to get Hakstol gone it confuses how I feel about his circumstances.

 

[Larry44]

I think he’s playing the season hurt. He’ll be fine next camp. Maybe sooner depending on what it is. Still... if it helps to get Hakstol gone it confuses how I feel about his circumstances.

I don't think he's playing hurt, he's playing on a team with no appreciable system. The forwards fly the zone giving the D no choice but hail mary passes. The coach is an idiot who broke up a very successful partnership with Ghost.

Provorov is the least of my worries on the Flyers. The bottom of my concern list.

 

[GKJ]

Yo we have people out here throwing out Bjork

 

[David St Hubbins]

Yo we have people out here throwing out Bjork

The further you throw her the better

 

[Curufinwe]

Provorov looked fine in preseason with no indication he was carrying an injury that was sustained five months prior.

 

[Doodootheclown]

Given all the Provy discussion in other threads, figured it might be nice to look back at some of the good things that happened in a tough season.

 

[1865]

I think there's enough question marks about last year to give us some confidence. He came off a confidence sapping final game the year before, he came in injured and possibly stayed that way all season and he was being coached by a buffoon. All of that should change this year, so there's enough in us to be confident he'll bounce back.

All things considered though, i'd go for a bridge 2 years. Less risk that way.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

He was always the best candidate for a bridge--he was the least likely to explode or even consistently produce like he did in 17-18. But the guy has the potential to be a stalwart top pairing d for us for the foreseeable future. The original comp for him was a Ryan Suter sort of player, which is an incredibly consistent guy to have matching up against other teams top line. All things considered, he's performed to his draft hype, and should continue to improve over the next couple years (hopefully a lot with good coaching).

 

[Larry44]

I think there's enough question marks about last year to give us some confidence. He came off a confidence sapping final game the year before, he came in injured and possibly stayed that way all season and he was being coached by a buffoon. All of that should change this year, so there's enough in us to be confident he'll bounce back.

All things considered though, i'd go for a bridge 2 years. Less risk that way.

No question marks for me. No. 1 Dman. Pay him. If pieces of crap like JVR and Hayes are worth $7M/yr, Provy is worth more. Give him $8M x 8yrs and get it over with.

 

[1865]

No question marks for me. No. 1 Dman. Pay him. If pieces of crap like JVR and Hayes are worth $7M/yr, Provy is worth more. Give him $8M x 8yrs and get it over with.

Pieces of crap like JVR (pacing 36 and 34 goals the last two years) isn't a good way to frame an argument.

 

[Striiker]

No question marks for me. No. 1 Dman. Pay him. If pieces of crap like JVR and Hayes are worth $7M/yr, Provy is worth more. Give him $8M x 8yrs and get it over with.

lol nope

 

[FLYguy3911]

Why do people still compare UFAs to RFAs with 4 years of club control?

 

[deadhead]

Why do people still compare UFAs to RFAs with 4 years of club control?

Because they have no idea what a comparable is?

Even if you pay him $32M for the 4 UFA years, you only would pay him maybe $20M for the four controlled years, or say 8yr/$52M.
But since the team can always do a bridge and then pay "Trouba" level salary for the out years, that deal shifts more risk to the team and players generally have to accept a discount for risk shifting.
So probably 8x6 is the proper level for a long-term deal for Provorov, or a 2x4 or so bridge and then negotiate a long-term deal after the ED.