Rumor: Ivan Provorov on the trade block

[Mrfenn92]

That is f***ing great

 

[Breakers]

I thought provorov was going to be soooooooo good after his sophmore season in the WHL.

He’s not a bad player now, just thought he would turn out way better.

 

[Chainshot]

Isn't this just building on what EF had in yesterday's 32 Thoughts podcast?

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I'd like Provorov on the Sharks over any of the LHD's they have in the lineup at this stage but we don't make any sense as a trading partner for Philly here.

 

[copperlion]

That’s a shame, I always thought he was going to be a beast, sort of like what Michael Sergachev is now. Hopefully the change of scenery helps him.

 

[GKJ]

Nucks will take him.

Boeser for Provorov is what I've felt has always been the move.

 

[LeftKinger]

Pardon my ignorance, but how is he defensively?

 

[GKJ]

Isn't this just building on what EF had in yesterday's 32 Thoughts podcast?

It's basically exactly what he said.

Surprising it took this long to get a thread.

 

[Curufinwe]

That’s a shame, I always thought he was going to be a beast, sort of like what Michael Sergachev is now. Hopefully the change of scenery helps him.

Obviously, Tampa has had better teams overall, but check out the difference in PP stats:

Provorov: 981:57 PP TOI, 10 G, 37 A = 2.87 PP/60

Sergachev: 719:08 PP TOI, 11 G, 53 A = 5.34 PP/60

 

[Chainshot]

It's basically exactly what he said.

Surprising it took this long to get a thread.

Also, since it is Cliff Fletcher, should not all proposals in this thread include the Flyers' 2nd round pick since... well... Cliff clearly hates the 2nd round?

 

[Curufinwe]

seems more speculation than rumor.

If you listened to the podcast you would hear Friedman discuss that he was getting his information on Provorov from sources. That's what makes it a rumor, not just speculation.

 

[GKJ]

Also, since it is Cliff Fletcher, should not all proposals in this thread include the Flyers' 2nd round pick since... well... Cliff clearly hates the 2nd round?

Don't have one until 2025

 

[BringTheReign]

I can see LA interested but I don’t know how they make the cap work. Only dumps are Walker at like 2.5 and Peterson, and nobody is taking Peterson.

Before the season our board speculated of adding Iaffalo or Arvidsson but they’re both playing so well I don’t see them being traded. And I don’t know if Blake would be willing to add on enough to have the Flyers retain enough cap space.

If the trade is made on deadline day, we would only need to send the equivalent of one additional league-minimum contract (that is on the NHL roster) along with Walker. We'd end up with less than $100k remaining cap space (depending on who is on IR or in the minors). I think someone else posted a '24 1st, Walker, and Kupari. That would do it (from a cap space perspective--no clue what Provorov's value is given his down seasons and potential competitive offers from other teams).

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Heard Vegas has strong interest in Ivan Provorov. Not sure who they'd move out to make the cap work though.

Yup McCrimmon would love to have him back

 

[Rich Nixon]

As a Flyers fan, I'd be fine with the picks, and a small side piece or two for salary. It's what the Flyers should do.

Move Provorov to EDM for 1sts.
Retain on Kevin Hayes and move him to the Avs for their first+ at 50%.
I'd even move Hart.

Then just let Atkinson, TDA and other contracts expire over the next 2 years.

Use TK as the 'vet' - unless you're blown away by an offer.

And do it now, vs TDL. Give the team to suck a bit more for the next 40 games - we won't get to the bottom three (nobody will) but can get into the top 5.

Then next year there's more incoming talent, and hopefully they can luck into a good player or two with 3-4 firsts in the next 2 years.

This is the way. Strip it down to the studs. You're locked into whatever's left of Couturier for the next 7 years, plus Atkinson for a couple. Probably playing salary cap gymnastics with Ellis's LTIR hit until 2027. Ristolainen isn't going anywhere either, no one wants that shit. Off those 4 names alone you're looking at nearly $25m in dead cap or total question marks. So, great, you can tank without going below the salary floor!

It's a really bleak situation, and the only way up is down first. Hang onto Konecny—give him the C or something—and Sanheim (since he's now extended long-term) and the handful of productive youngsters in York, Frost, Tippett, and Ersson. Hope Andrae and Gauthier turn into something and start piling picks to add to that prospect pool.

Everything else should go: Hayes, Provorov, DeAngelo, Laughton, even Farabee and Hart.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

If you listened to the podcast you would hear Friedman discuss that he was getting his information on Provorov from sources. That's what makes it a rumor, not just speculation.

he isn't being shopped. He will not be moved unless he ask

 

[GM Armchair]

Yup McCrimmon would love to have him back

My thoughts exactly. BWK and fans absolutely loved Prov in his junior days (still have all my signed shit from him). No doubt he makes an offer for him.

 

[howkie]

Provorov needs Bowness as both Fridge and Jeff joked about. As a Jet I kinda liked it, but means we need to unload as F..k from our blueline, but man Norrisey and Provorov on in the top 4 would be nice.

 

[AvroArrow]

Greatest HF meme of all time, HOF worthy shit here.

 

[Curufinwe]

Oilers need D

2023 1st (top 10 protected) + 2023 2nd for Provorov with some money retained/a cap dump coming to Philly

 

[BringTheReign]

Oilers need D

2023 1st (top 10 protected) + 2023 2nd for Provorov with some money retained/a cap dump coming to Philly

I think the Kings could potentially match or beat that (especially if Philly can retain a bit on Provorov). Walker would be the "cap dump" coming back on our end (and thankfully he's finally back to his usual solid play after the ACL surgery rehab).

 

[KingsFan7824]

6.75M cap hit for two years after this one

What's his value

And $17.125m in cash over those 2 years. When the money is that much more than the hit, that can take a few teams out.

 

[Rich Nixon]

I think the Kings could potentially match or beat that (especially if Philly can retain a bit on Provorov). Walker would be the "cap dump" coming back on our end (and thankfully he's finally back to his usual solid play after the ACL surgery rehab).

I don't think the Flyers could retain on one of their few trade chips that has inherent value, given that they'll also have to retain on a couple that have no value at their current salaries but will at half price (Hayes and JVR).

 

[biturbo19]

Again?

They actually gonna trade him this time?


There should be teams lined up around to block trying to make this deal. I'm curious what it eventually looks like, if it happens, which it probably won't.



From a Canucks standpoint, i'd be all over it...but probably don't have the sort of pieces Philly would want for him at this point. Maybe before they saw how completely shittastic their Torts season would be, there could've been something there. But now...i assume they just want futures. Which the non-playoff Canucks obviously can't give up, and also, do not really have.

 

[SwedishFire]

How will cap work..