I would argue that starting quality IOL is just as big of a need.
I think you also have to consider the relative strength/depth of each position group in this class. WR being the strongest, then IOL, then EDGE a long way behind.
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I think you also have to consider the relative strength/depth of each position group in this class. WR being the strongest, then IOL, then EDGE a long way behind.
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The challenge is that a lot of that WR depth could be long gone by 60.
If someone like Polk is the best WR left when the Bills are on the clock in the second round, that could be tough to deal with as well.
I think the 2nd-4th round options at IOL could be waaaay better than the options at both EDGE and WR.
Of the 'second tier' WRs the guy I'm warming up to is Troy Franklin. At this point i think I'd prefer him over just about any other guy in that group. Maybe even over Mitchell / Legette. I still think that taking him #28 is too early though
Firstly I'd argue that there are plenty of intriguing WRs who will be available beyond #60 who could EASILY end up being better than the guys in this concensus 'second tier'.
Secondly - and i posted about this in detail last week.... Depending on how i expect the board to fall - i think the smartest strategy to take in this draft could well be to fill another position at #28 (OL/DL/DeJean) then move up from #60 to get your #WR early day 2.
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Franklin is interesting. Joe Marino and Kyle Crabbs are not high on him. When Joe looked at some of his tape, he was really worried about his lack of functional strength and had questions about whether that will limit him at the next level.
But, he was so productive at Oregon and made so many big plays, I would be surprised if he didn't work out in the NFL.
He is a guy that I would like if they were to trade back from 28 into the 30s or early 40s.
The challenge for me is that I am not seeing a lot of guys falling that could be really good boundary WRs in 2024 falling that far.
I think most of the guys that are intriguing that will fall will be Shakir/Samuel types and would only make a ton of sense if Brady wants to just have a bunch of movable chess piece type WRs as opposed to a WR room with a bunch of different types of WRs that compliment each other.
Franklin is interesting. Joe Marino and Kyle Crabbs are not high on him. When Joe looked at some of his tape, he was really worried about his lack of functional strength and had questions about whether that will limit him at the next level.
But, he was so productive at Oregon and made so many big plays, I would be surprised if he didn't work out in the NFL.
He is a guy that I would like if they were to trade back from 28 into the 30s or early 40s.
The challenge for me is that I am not seeing a lot of guys falling that could be really good boundary WRs in 2024 falling that far.
I think most of the guys that are intriguing that will fall will be Shakir/Samuel types and would only make a ton of sense if Brady wants to just have a bunch of movable chess piece type WRs as opposed to a WR room with a bunch of different types of WRs that compliment each other.
Yeah - re Franklin - his slight build / lack of strength is really what puts you off of him initially. It is a red flag.
But then you watch the plays he makes in conjunction with looking at the stats...
Exactly as you said - he's a guy I'd either trade back from #28 for or trade up from #60 for. It's a similar scenario for all the guys i like in that group.
I do disagree with the bolded - and have even gone further to say that i have exactly the same criticism of many guys in that second tier :
Second tier guys i don't think are different enough from Shakir/Samuel / who i don't see as being effective boundary players :
- McConkey
- Coleman (see him as a big guy who will only ever be effective across the middle)
- Pearsall (maybe)
- Corley
- R Wilson
R3 & below guys who have potential to be better than anyone in the second tier:
- Walker
- McMillan
- Burton (off field issues are keeping him from being ranked higher)
-Baker
-Rice
-J Wilson (ultimate boom / bust type)
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Big turnout on our #29 poll and we close out our first round! McKinstry, Robinson, Coleman, and Franklin all come off the board. Worthy, Jenkins, and Polk added.
New poll: 2024 HF Bills Big Board 33
Note: Vote for as many as you want. Also, in the spirit of winding this down, this will be the last round you can vote to add.
1. Marvin Harrison Jr., WR, Ohio State (88%)
2. Malik Nabers, WR, LSU (83%)
3. Rome Odunze, WR, Washington (100%)
4. Joe Alt, OT, Notre Dame (38%)
4. Dallas Turner, DE, Alabama (38%)
6. Olu Fashanu, OT, Penn State (40%)
6. Laiatu Latu, DE, UCLA (40%)
8. Brian Thomas Junior, WR, LSU (40%)
9. Jackson Powers-Johnson, C, Oregon (40%)
9. Jared Verse, DE, Florida State (40%)
11. Brock Bowers, TE, Georgia (50%)
12. Cooper Dejean, DB, Iowa (50%)
13. Byron Murphy, DT, Texas (40%)
14. Taliese Fuaga, OL, Oregon (25%)
14. JC Latham, OT, Alabama (25%)
14. Terrion Arnold, CB, Alabama (25%)
14. Quinyon Mitchell, CB, Toledo (25%)
18. Adonai Mitchell, WR, Texas (75%)
19. Johnny Newton, DT, Illinois (40%)
20. Ladd McConkey, WR Georgia (50%)
21. Troy Fautanu, OL, Washington (60%)
22. Graham Barton, OL, Duke (100%)
23. Xavier Legette, WR, South Carolina (50%)
23. Chop Robinson, DE, Penn State (50%)
25. Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia (50%)
26. Zach Frazier, C, West Virginia (50%)
26. Jordan Morgan, OL, Arizona (50%)
26. Tyler Guyton, OT, Oklahoma (50%)
29. Kool-Aid McKinstry, CB, Alabama (67%)
30. Darius Robinson, DE, Missouri (50%)
31. Keon Coleman, WR, Florida State (33%)
31. Troy Franklin, WR, Oregon (33%)
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Reid's final NFL mock draft goes seven rounds: Predicting all 257 picks -- including six trades
Jordan Reid kicks off draft week with seven full rounds of pick projections, including landing spots for 11 QBs and some intriguing trades.
28.) WR Xavier Worthy, Texas
60.) S Javon Bullard, Georgia
128.) WR Jermaine Burton, Alabama
133.) EDGE Cedric Johnson, Ole Miss
144.) C Beaux Limmer, Arkansas
160.) DT Keith Randolph Jr, Illinois
163.) LB/S James Williams, Miami
200.) OT Travis Glover, Georgia State
204.) RB Blake Watson, Memphis
248.) QB Joe Milton III, Tennessee
So I really love the back part of this draft with Limmer, Williams and Milton.
The nit-pick I have is that I'd take DeJean at 28 and then take Pearsall or Tez at 60.
Jim Bob
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Xavier Legette: Panthers told me they're hoping I make it to second round
Wide receiver Xavier Legette played his college ball at South Carolina and he may not have to travel far to kick off his NFL career.
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Legette trying to get himself into the first round.
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Someone just voted to add Wiggins, #24 OA prospect (so #20 w/o QBs) on Brugler's big board. Ooops on us for totally overlooking him.
Big turnout on our #29 poll and we close out our first round! McKinstry, Robinson, Coleman, and Franklin all come off the board. Worthy, Jenkins, and Polk added.
New poll: 2024 HF Bills Big Board 33
Note: Vote for as many as you want. Also, in the spirit of winding this down, this will be the last round you can vote to add.
1. Marvin Harrison Jr., WR, Ohio State (88%)
2. Malik Nabers, WR, LSU (83%)
3. Rome Odunze, WR, Washington (100%)
4. Joe Alt, OT, Notre Dame (38%)
4. Dallas Turner, DE, Alabama (38%)
6. Olu Fashanu, OT, Penn State (40%)
6. Laiatu Latu, DE, UCLA (40%)
8. Brian Thomas Junior, WR, LSU (40%)
9. Jackson Powers-Johnson, C, Oregon (40%)
9. Jared Verse, DE, Florida State (40%)
11. Brock Bowers, TE, Georgia (50%)
12. Cooper Dejean, DB, Iowa (50%)
13. Byron Murphy, DT, Texas (40%)
14. Taliese Fuaga, OL, Oregon (25%)
14. JC Latham, OT, Alabama (25%)
14. Terrion Arnold, CB, Alabama (25%)
14. Quinyon Mitchell, CB, Toledo (25%)
18. Adonai Mitchell, WR, Texas (75%)
19. Johnny Newton, DT, Illinois (40%)
20. Ladd McConkey, WR Georgia (50%)
21. Troy Fautanu, OL, Washington (60%)
22. Graham Barton, OL, Duke (100%)
23. Xavier Legette, WR, South Carolina (50%)
23. Chop Robinson, DE, Penn State (50%)
25. Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia (50%)
26. Zach Frazier, C, West Virginia (50%)
26. Jordan Morgan, OL, Arizona (50%)
26. Tyler Guyton, OT, Oklahoma (50%)
29. Kool-Aid McKinstry, CB, Alabama (67%)
30. Darius Robinson, DE, Missouri (50%)
31. Keon Coleman, WR, Florida State (33%)
31. Troy Franklin, WR, Oregon (33%)
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@Zman5778 I made us our GDT. I'll leave it to you when you want to shut this one down and pivot over there.
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Buffalo Bills - 2024 NFL Draft GDT - Draft week is here!
Note: Just getting this going now so I can edit it and add resources throughout the week. I'll leave it to mods at what point they want to lock the old thread and pivot to this one. If anyone wants a link or resource added to this post, let me know. Welcome to my Christmas week! Draft Schedule...
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@Zman5778 I made us our GDT. I'll leave it to you when you want to shut this one down and pivot over there.
Buffalo Bills - 2024 NFL Draft GDT - Draft week is here!
Note: Just getting this going now so I can edit it and add resources throughout the week. I'll leave it to mods at what point they want to lock the old thread and pivot to this one. If anyone wants a link or resource added to this post, let me know. Welcome to my Christmas week! Draft Schedule...
We'll pivot on Thursday during the day (AKA, when I get to work).
Thanks for setting it up!!!
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The Broncos get their young QB:
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Zach Wilson!
Jets get #203 for Wilson and #256
Jets trade Zach Wilson to Broncos
It marks the end of a disastrous saga where Wilson statistically had one of the worst starts to a career of any highly-drafted quarterback.
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Zach Wilson!
Jets get #203 for Wilson and #256
Good situation for all really, Broncos need a QB that hardly costs anything in 2024 and Wilson needs a fresh start somewhere else far from NY.The Broncos get their young QB:
Jets trade Zach Wilson to Broncos
It marks the end of a disastrous saga where Wilson statistically had one of the worst starts to a career of any highly-drafted quarterback.
Zach Wilson!
Jets get #203 for Wilson and #256
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He's been my choice for a while. I don't know enough to evaluate the tape closely and discern the nuances but his scouting reports sure seem to match what we need.
I like a trade down with WAS if one of the OTs is still there. 28+128 for 36+78. Take Franklin at 36.
That was me. I wouldn't have added him that much sooner - but he sticks out like a sore thumb at this point.
Yeah - that's exactly the type of move I'd make. Unless there was a guy there at #28 i couldn't pass on - in which case I'd look to move up from #60 to get the receiver in that top 40-45 range.
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Reminder to vote!
I'm voting for Jenkins and Worthy here. I didn't think I'd vote for any more WRs, but no one else on the board is really jumping out at me.
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Y'all have to much power
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
I really like him too - but let's not pretend he doesn't have obvious red flags like Franklin.
Besides - if you want Legette it may well be that you would have to get him at #28. I know it's draft week so we're right in the middle of lying season.... But it does seem likely that Carolina is taking him with one of their early R2s.
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
Am I the only one who doesn't really know anything about potential Bills draft picks, and just has an idea what positions on which the Bills need to focus, and then waits to see who we end up with after the draft - and THEN does the deep dive on the players we drafted?
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