It's Not The Water Or Culture, It's Your Forward Depth, Dummy.

[Soundwave]

The D is never going to be that great. Not at least until 3-4 years down the line if a guy like a Bouchard develops and that's assuming it all goes great.

We must have scoring depth or we are going no where though.

230 goals/year with 3-4 guys scoring 15+ goals a year will never work. The only way that could work is if you are elite, best of the best in the NHL at D ... and realistically that is not happening any time soon.

 

[Todd from Leduc]

So you’re saying if we score more and let in less we would be higher in the standings?

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

So you’re saying if we score more and let in less we would be higher in the standings?

Who knew!?!

Just look at the goal differential of all the playoff teams vs the goal differential between the non playoff teams other than the sad sack teams trying to make a run to be the last team in and first team eliminated. Look back at this for 10-20-30 years.

Hockey isn't rocket science. Score more than your opponent on a consistent basis and you are a good team. Doesn't matter when you do this or in what era.

In other news the sky is blue.

 

[Stoneman89]

And the extension of not having anyone else not being able to score, is the side effects of extra pressure on those that do, and wearing them out, as we have seen so many times this year. As dumb as it may sound, maybe McDavid doesn't get sick twice a year and Drai is able to find an extra gear more often if they aren't worked like dogs.

 

[edmoil3]

Yeah youre right its a great culture. A culture that hires past players in roles they arent qualified for and forces new general managers to find roles for made men. A culture that hires good alberta boys in roles they are not qualified for, without interviewing multiple candidates. A culture that brings young players in, put them in roles above their current ability and attempting to use the NHL as a development league then put blame on the player. A culture that dozens of players have wanted to leave. A culture that forces players back from injury too quickly because of the management team cant find depth. A culture that drafts familiar faces from the old oilers sons and oil kings. A culture that uses alumni as consultants, using their opinions for major decisions but when things go wrong they are hands off. A culture that has no internal competition on or off the ice for decades. A culture that ranks and tiers the importance of each fan. A culture that raises ticket prices after missing the playoffs 12/13 years. Yeah its just our top 6 that stinks. youre right.

Memo to Bob Nicholson. It's not the water or "culture". Both were fine just 18 months ago.

The real issue with this team is and always has been the forward depth. Now I will cite the 16-17 Oilers, but it's also time for Oiler fans to hear some damn truth about that team too -- that team was fool's gold. It was not sustainable.

But for one season the Oilers had

McDavid - 30 goals, 100 points
Draisaitl - 29 goals, 78 points
Maroon, 27 goals, 42 points
RNH - 18 goals, 43 points
Eberle - 20 goals, 51 points
Lucic - 23 goals, 50 points
Letestu - 16 goals, 35 points
Pitlick - 8 goals in 31 games (21 goal rate pro-rated)

That's 7 forwards that scored 15+ goals and another one that was scoring at a 21 goal clip before injury (Pitlick).

Now effectively gone from the team is Maroon, Letestu, Pitlick, Eberle, and basically Lucic too as he was seemingly lucky to have that final good year before dropping off and is in no way, shape, or form anywhere close to a 20 goal player anymore.

So there is the root of your problem.

Now there is going to the the "yeah but McDavid and Draisaitl and RNH score more now, so it shouldn't matter as much to lose depth!" ... the problem with this logic is that offence has risen league-wide dramatically, so the Oilers needed BOTH the increase from McDavid/Drai/RNH AND to retain the offensive depth. The gains from McDavid/Drai/RNH scoring more are largely cancelled out by the rest of the league scoring more. The Oilers scored 247 in 16-17, that was good for 8th best in the league that year, but this year 247 is bottom half of the NHL -- the league has shifted dramatically to more scoring and the Oilers have completely missed the bus.

Also largely speaking 16-17 was fools gold. Thinking Lucic + Letestu + Maroon + Eberle (unreliable) in the long run were going to be franchise pillars that could year in, year out give the team the secondary scoring it needed was foolish. It worked for a year but it collapsed after that and now the task for the Oilers is to find sustainable offensive depth.

You have a fragile team today that gets discouraged because they know they don't have the offensive depth to ever come back from a serious deficit and are terrified of making mistakes, but are also cheating for offence because offence is so hard for this team. That's your problem. Not culture, not water, until you fix that nothing is changing.

 

[Soundwave]

Yeah youre right its a great culture. A culture that hires past players in roles they arent qualified for and forces new general managers to find roles for made men. A culture that hires good alberta boys in roles they are not qualified for, without interviewing multiple candidates. A culture that brings young players in, put them in roles above their current ability and attempting to use the NHL as a development league then put blame on the player. A culture that dozens of players have wanted to leave. A culture that forces players back from injury too quickly because of the management team cant find depth. A culture that drafts familiar faces from the old oilers sons and oil kings. A culture that uses alumni as consultants, using their opinions for major decisions but when things go wrong they are hands off. A culture that has no internal competition on or off the ice for decades. A culture that ranks and tiers the importance of each fan. A culture that raises ticket prices after missing the playoffs 12/13 years. Yeah its just our top 6 that stinks. youre right.

I'm talking about the roster of players. The same basic leadership group from 2 years ago is still here (McDavid, Draisaitl, Lucic, Klefbom, Sekera, up until like a week ago, Talbot).

So to blame culture is to say suddenly these players all suddenly became rotten people in 18 months doesn't really hold weight. More like the roster lost like 80 goals from the lineup (Maroon, Eberle, Letestu, Pitlick out and Lucic's scoring ability falling off the face of the planet).

On the management criticisms, absolutely zero complaints from me. This management group isn't good enough at bringing in good players and building a team (not on the basis of culture, but actual hockey ability).

 

[BlackDogg]

We need public pressure to get all these ex oilers and their families to step aside. Including gretzky I believe. Some of them probably are ok but who would know anymore, and right now no free agents will ever sign here due to them and their cesspool.

 

[MaxR11]

I'm talking about the roster of players. The same basic leadership group from 2 years ago is still here (McDavid, Draisaitl, Lucic, Klefbom, Sekera, up until like a week ago, Talbot).

So to blame culture is to say suddenly these players all suddenly became rotten people in 18 months doesn't really hold weight. More like the roster lost like 80 goals from the lineup (Maroon, Eberle, Letestu, Pitlick out and Lucic's scoring ability falling off the face of the planet).

On the management criticisms, absolutely zero complaints from me. This management group isn't good enough at bringing in good players and building a team (not on the basis of culture, but actual hockey ability).

you're not getting it. it IS culture. the culture of the organization. it will affect how the players/team plays and "fights through adversity"... whether they sag and give up or figure a way to battle through the rough patches. how it develops players. how it instills good habits on and off the ice. how it unifies the room to have a singular vision and goal. you can bring in and all star team here and if the culture is cr**, they will find a way to underachieve. fix the organizational culture and sure "problem players" or "player attitude issues" etc will either change and buy into the PROPER culture or if the organizational culture is sound... the management will QUICKLY identify problems and oust the player or fix the issues.

a good overall organizational culture would not have let the team slip like they did from 2016-17 to the year after. the players would not sag. the management would have been more proactive and seeked out better depth on D and wing and bring in the PROPER players. these ideals and value are part of overall culture. part of the management culture was "we'll let connor and drai carry things" or "we'll be lazy and rely on unproven guys like drake, pooly etc to provide secondary scoring". it's a lazy culture with stupid ideals.

don't even think about bringing any players in as of now. FIX the managerial culture and organization culture FIRST. it should be done by summer time. oust the obc. let the new crew build their own culture.

 

[Soundwave]

you're not getting it. it IS culture. the culture of the organization. it will affect how the players/team plays and "fights through adversity"... whether they sag and give up or figure a way to battle through the rough patches. how it develops players. how it instills good habits on and off the ice. how it unifies the room to have a singular vision and goal. you can bring in and all star team here and if the culture is cr**, they will find a way to underachieve. fix the organizational culture and sure "problem players" or "player attitude issues" etc will either change and buy into the PROPER culture or if the organizational culture is sound... the management will QUICKLY identify problems and oust the player or fix the issues.

a good overall organizational culture would not have let the team slip like they did from 2016-17 to the year after. the players would not sag. the management would have been more proactive and seeked out better depth on D and wing and bring in the PROPER players. these ideals and value are part of overall culture. part of the management culture was "we'll let connor and drai carry things" or "we'll be lazy and rely on unproven guys like drake, pooly etc to provide secondary scoring". it's a lazy culture with stupid ideals.

don't even think about bringing any players in as of now. FIX the managerial culture and organization culture FIRST. it should be done by summer time. oust the obc. let the new crew build their own culture.

They lost freaking EIGHTY GOALS from 16-17.

That's why they "sagged". Not culture. Wake up dude. You cannot just wish away 80 goals and think nothing is going to happen.

That 16-17 group was fools gold to begin with.

The same people you were raving about being great in 16-17 didn't just magically turn into terrible people with lazy habits overnight. The team's scoring upfront collapsed and any gains from McDavid/Drai/RNH are undone by the rest of the league scoring way more in the same time.

You can't remove offence at the same time the rest of the league is scoring more and think nothing bad is going to happen.

The players are not bad people, they didn't magically overnight turn into bad people. The GM basically watched all the secondary scoring on the team go away and did nothing to address it while the rest of the league all got higher scoring. That's not "culture" (read: attitude of the players). That's simply poor management.

 

[edmoil3]

They lost freaking EIGHTY GOALS from 16-17.

That's why they "sagged". Not culture. Wake up dude. You cannot just wish away 80 goals and think nothing is going to happen.

That 16-17 group was fools gold to begin with.

The same people you were raving about being great in 16-17 didn't just magically turn into terrible people with lazy habits overnight. The team's scoring upfront collapsed and any gains from McDavid/Drai/RNH are undone by the rest of the league scoring way more in the same time.

You can't remove offence at the same time the rest of the league is scoring more and think nothing bad is going to happen.

The players are not bad people, they didn't magically overnight turn into bad people. The GM basically watched all the secondary scoring on the team go away and did nothing to address it while the rest of the league all got higher scoring. That's not "culture" (read: attitude of the players). That's simply poor management.

I’m telling you, the Rot you smell runs deep.

 

[Soundwave]

I’m telling you, the Rot you smell runs deep.

It's not rot.

It's like a fat person being shocked that they're fat when they eat 5000-6000 calories a day.

That's not "rot" or "shocking" or a "voodoo curse". That's a well earned (negative) result.

If you're going to continually make stupid roster decisions on the back of dumb management, you're going to get the same type of result. If I take 80 goals off the Leafs or Flames or Jets or even Lightning, and I do nothing productive as a GM, it's going to lead to problems on the ice.

 

[The Nuge]

Memo to Bob Nicholson. It's not the water or "culture". Both were fine just 18 months ago.

The real issue with this team is and always has been the forward depth. Now I will cite the 16-17 Oilers, but it's also time for Oiler fans to hear some damn truth about that team too -- that team was fool's gold. It was not sustainable.

But for one season the Oilers had

McDavid - 30 goals, 100 points
Draisaitl - 29 goals, 78 points
Maroon, 27 goals, 42 points
RNH - 18 goals, 43 points
Eberle - 20 goals, 51 points
Lucic - 23 goals, 50 points
Letestu - 16 goals, 35 points
Pitlick - 8 goals in 31 games (21 goal rate pro-rated)

That's 7 forwards that scored 15+ goals and another one that was scoring at a 21 goal clip before injury (Pitlick).

Now effectively gone from the team is Maroon, Letestu, Pitlick, Eberle, and basically Lucic too as he was seemingly lucky to have that final good year before dropping off and is in no way, shape, or form anywhere close to a 20 goal player anymore.

So there is the root of your problem.

Now there is going to the the "yeah but McDavid and Draisaitl and RNH score more now, so it shouldn't matter as much to lose depth!" ... the problem with this logic is that offence has risen league-wide dramatically, so the Oilers needed BOTH the increase from McDavid/Drai/RNH AND to retain the offensive depth. The gains from McDavid/Drai/RNH scoring more are largely cancelled out by the rest of the league scoring more. The Oilers scored 247 in 16-17, that was good for 8th best in the league that year, but this year 247 is bottom half of the NHL -- the league has shifted dramatically to more scoring and the Oilers have completely missed the bus.

Also largely speaking 16-17 was fools gold. Thinking Lucic + Letestu + Maroon + Eberle (unreliable) in the long run were going to be franchise pillars that could year in, year out give the team the secondary scoring it needed was foolish. It worked for a year but it collapsed after that and now the task for the Oilers is to find sustainable offensive depth.

You have a fragile team today that gets discouraged because they know they don't have the offensive depth to ever come back from a serious deficit and are terrified of making mistakes, but are also cheating for offence because offence is so hard for this team. That's your problem. Not culture, not water, until you fix that nothing is changing.

Yep. And yet there are still people who say “no. It’s the defense” as if any dman is going to turn Chiasson, Khaira, Kassian, Rattie, etc into legit top 6 forwards. We have 0 top 6 wingers, and can’t score. The issue can’t be more obvious

The only thing I can see that is slightly improved is the defence. We don't have ference, gryba, fayne, nikitan, Schultz was terrible here, but it is not much improved considering the assets given up.

Come on. It’s drastically improved, and 5 of our top 6 dmen were either drafted or signed as a free agent. We literally gave up one asset for our top 6 dmen. Yes that was a bad trade, but it’s not like we can’t score because the defense got improved. Our top 6 dmen are still the exact same as when we were a 100 point team. Our forwards aren’t.

 

[The Batman]

Even heading into the preseason everyone cited our lack of depth on forward. Particularly RW.

Then Rattie scored a few preseason goals and it was like we had a new first line sniper for the McBatman. And then Puljujarvi and Yamamoto looked good against practice squads.

It was only a matter of time before the losses piled up. Can't have your entire f***ing right wing manned by unproven players. I remember spamming this back in October. And that's not even getting into the opposite flank.

We need a new GM, new pro scouts, the whole shebang so we don't lose every trade and fire blanks with every draft pick.

 

[MaxR11]

They lost freaking EIGHTY GOALS from 16-17.

That's why they "sagged". Not culture. Wake up dude. You cannot just wish away 80 goals and think nothing is going to happen.

That 16-17 group was fools gold to begin with.

The same people you were raving about being great in 16-17 didn't just magically turn into terrible people with lazy habits overnight. The team's scoring upfront collapsed and any gains from McDavid/Drai/RNH are undone by the rest of the league scoring way more in the same time.

You can't remove offence at the same time the rest of the league is scoring more and think nothing bad is going to happen.

The players are not bad people, they didn't magically overnight turn into bad people. The GM basically watched all the secondary scoring on the team go away and did nothing to address it while the rest of the league all got higher scoring. That's not "culture" (read: attitude of the players). That's simply poor management.

what i'm saying is even if you significantly upgrade the talent on this team somehow (magically), i could still easily see them struggle hard if not at least underachieve and still draw the ire of the fans, if this same regime with the same/similar organizational culture is still around. add secondary scoring, add tarasenko, add duchene, add parayko, add them all.... this team under this culture will still struggle... if not right away... eventually in short time, whether it be a year, half a year, two years. i don't trust this organizational culture.

this is why talent alone is not solely the issue. it's this rot culture. it's the more pressing issue.

 

[Soundwave]

what i'm saying is even if you significantly upgrade the talent on this team somehow (magically), i could still easily see them struggle hard if not at least underachieve and still draw the ire of the fans, if this same regime with the same/similar organizational culture is still around. add secondary scoring, add tarasenko, add duchene, add parayko, add them all.... this team under this culture will still struggle... if not right away... eventually in short time, whether it be a year, half a year, two years. i don't trust this organizational culture.

this is why talent alone is not solely the issue. it's this rot culture. it's the more pressing issue.

If you added 80 goals to this roster right now, they're in a playoff spot. Not maybe, definitely.

This is not about McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH, Klefbom, Talbot, Nurse, being bad people who don't care. They cared just fine 18 months ago when the entire city was falling over themselves to crow about how great they were.

It's about f***ing 80 goals gone from the roster and any extra scoring from McDavid/Draisaitl/RNH is basically irrelevant because everyone else in the league scores more (the entire leauge has shifted to more offence).

Two years ago Calgary scored 226 goals ... this year they will score over 300. Two years ago Winnipeg scored 249 goals, this year they are pace for 280. Two years ago Toronto scored 251, this year they are on pace for 287.

The Oilers scored 247 two years ago, which this season would be just average/border line non-playoffs. They are on pace for about 230.

This is a management team that sat around doing nothing while all their secondary offence dried up/went bust and also got completely blind sighted by a league that shifted towards more goal scoring.

This is bad management, not bad attitudes, bad water, voodoo curses, or any of that other nonsense.

 

[MaxR11]

If you added 80 goals to this roster right now, they're in a playoff spot. Not maybe, definitely.

This is not about McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH, Klefbom, Talbot, Nurse, being bad people who don't care. They cared just fine 18 months ago when the entire city was falling over themselves to crow about how great they were.

It's about ****ing 80 goals gone from the roster and any extra scoring from McDavid/Draisaitl/RNH is basically irrelevant because everyone else in the league scores more (the entire leauge has shifted to more offence).

Two years ago Calgary scored 226 goals ... this year they will score over 300. Two years ago Winnipeg scored 249 goals, this year they are pace for 280. Two years ago Toronto scored 251, this year they are on pace for 287.

The Oilers scored 247 two years ago, which this season would be just average/border line non-playoffs. They are on pace for about 230.

This is a management team that sat around doing nothing while all their secondary offence dried up/went bust and also got completely blind sighted by a league that shifted towards more goal scoring.

This is bad management, not bad attitudes.

culture is not JUST attitudes. maybe go back and read what i posted about what culture encompasses in the other thread.

those 80 goals are yes, partly generated from talent but also generated as a team with COHESIVE play... playing the right way. as crummy as this team appears talent wise, they would generate a significant amount more goals if the culture of doing things the right way, habits, examples etc were right as well. not just from the players and coaches but from up top as well.

point is, this problem of our's is not as simple as you think of by just adding more talent. it's that AND more importantly and firstly righting the entire organizational culture for PERMANENT changes.

 

[Soundwave]

culture is not JUST attitudes. maybe go back and read what i posted about what culture encompasses in the other thread.

those 80 goals are yes, partly generated from talent but also generated as a team with COHESIVE play... playing the right way. as crummy as this team appears talent wise, they would generate a significant amount more goals if the culture of doing things the right way, habits, examples etc were right as well. not just from the players and coaches but from up top as well.

point is, this problem of our's is not as simple as you think of by just adding more talent. it's that AND more importantly and firstly righting the entire organizational culture for PERMANENT changes.

Actually no I don't buy that at all. Most of the team is scoring right around what they should be scoring.

If anything really, Draisaitl is overproducing. Chiasson has way overproduced.

Lucic was always a stupid gamble that even most of the supporters of the move admitted in a few years would blow up in the Oilers face. It just maybe happened a bit faster, but that is more also to do with the NHL's changing style of play.

The Oilers were not prepared for the league to become so much about speed and skill and offensive attack. And that is the management's fault, they had no vision about what was coming. Calgary's management, Toronto's management, Winnipeg's management, even Vancouver's management has seen that coming -- the Oilers management did not.

Culture is not going to keep up with talent and speed. You either have it or you don't or you pray the refs let you hook/hold/clutch/grab your way to slow the game down and your goalie bails you out. Unfortunately for the Oilers, neither or that is happening either. The refs won't let you play 2004 Calgary Flames hockey any more.

This roster is not capable of 80 more goals. I don't care what "culture" you inject into their veins. They don't have that in them. It's a miracle actually really that Chiasson has scored what he has.

 

[The Nuge]

what i'm saying is even if you significantly upgrade the talent on this team somehow (magically), i could still easily see them struggle hard if not at least underachieve and still draw the ire of the fans, if this same regime with the same/similar organizational culture is still around. add secondary scoring, add tarasenko, add duchene, add parayko, add them all.... this team under this culture will still struggle... if not right away... eventually in short time, whether it be a year, half a year, two years. i don't trust this organizational culture.

this is why talent alone is not solely the issue. it's this rot culture. it's the more pressing issue.

Then how do you explain 16/17? Before that we had no defense and sucked. Then we solved it and became a 100 point team. Then we lost our forwards, and started to suck again.

That’s not “culture”. That’s a massive hole in the roster preventing us from winning. Fix the wingers, without trading away Klefa/Nurse/Larsson, and this team is in the playoffs

 

[MaxR11]

Actually no I don't buy that at all. Most of the team is scoring right around what they should be scoring.

If anything really, Draisaitl is overproducing. Chiasson has way overproduced.

Lucic was always a stupid gamble that even most of the supporters of the move admitted in a few years would blow up in the Oilers face. It just maybe happened a bit faster, but that is more also to do with the NHL's changing style of play.

The Oilers were not prepared for the league to become so much about speed and skill and offensive attack. And that is the management's fault, they had no vision about what was coming. Calgary's management, Toronto's management, Winnipeg's management, even Vancouver's management has seen that coming -- the Oilers management did not.

Culture is not going to keep up with talent and speed. You either have it or you don't or you pray the refs let you hook/hold/clutch/grab your way to slow the game down and your goalie bails you out. Unfortunately for the Oilers, neither or that is happening either. The refs won't let you play 2004 Calgary Flames hockey any more.

This roster is not capable of 80 more goals. I don't care what "culture" you inject into their veins. They don't have that in them. It's a miracle actually really that Chiasson has scored what he has.

still don't get it eh. wow. you're focusing too much on culture of JUST the players. it's not JUST the players. it's the ORGANIZATIONAL culture. if you don't fix it you'll continually have underachieving players, teams etc etc. doesn't matter if you somehow bring in 4 top 6 fwds and 2 top 4 d man, they and more importantly the team will still underachieve with this ORGANIZATIONAL culture. the organizational culture DOES and will affect long term and or short term player/team performances. also organizational culture determines what values and ideals of what players they should be bringing in in the first place and how they nurture and develop them.

we have no idea whether guys like looch, reider,strome, khaira brodziak, etc etc are way underachieving or playing to their level. it's very likely many players here are actually underachieving. we have no idea . reider, zero goals looking like a complete nothing player? come on. looch going from a 20 goal scorer to this in a SNAP of a finger? no i don't buy it... i agree i never wanted him here and saw the game passing him by but there's more to it than just the speed of the game.

your problem is you look at each player as individual and separate units. while talent is obviously important, it's the team unity and game that will bring out the most of each player. the sum is greater than it's parts. for all we know, reider under the right conditions can score 15-20 goals easily. same with strome. drake. etc etc etc.

i personally do think our talent is not good enough and needs upgrade BUT i think the more pressing issue is actual overall organizational culture. fix it first over the summer.

 

[MaxR11]

Then how do you explain 16/17? Before that we had no defense and sucked. Then we solved it and became a 100 point team. Then we lost our forwards, and started to suck again.

That’s not “culture”. That’s a massive hole in the roster preventing us from winning. Fix the wingers, without trading away Klefa/Nurse/Larsson, and this team is in the playoffs

i've said it before... that was also partly culture. room culture. the team ousted a polarizing figure in hall and gelled together very nicely. it was said in many interviews where the interviewer asked players what the difference was and they all kept saying we're playing as a team this year, playing FOR each other, we've come together and bonded much better etc etc. the culture had temporarily improved and they rode the high and likely overachived becasue the room culture was significantly better than it had been in many many years. but the organizational culture was still iffy which is why they had a chance to revert back. and they did like i predicted. this is why the organizational culture needs to change.

kassian even said in an interview in summer of 2016, when asked about hall, where he just rolled his eyes and ignored the question but made a point to say instead that this is now a team, a close team who will gel inside the room, on the ice and even outside of hockey. together. etc etc. it was a total jab at hall and his negative affect on the team unity.

in any case when you gel as a team and play for each other, the team defence will just improve when playing as a cohesive unit. the goalies will look better behind this tight unit with all it's parts working together properly. that's how culture can make individual parts all better as a sum and not single pieces. this also goes for offence. play as a unit and chances will come more often... if there is a good feeling around the team, individual players will increase confidence and maybe overachieve (lestetu). that team was riding a wave of temporary good dressing room culture. make no mistake, a lot of what happened that year can be correlated to culture.

 

[frag2]

Then how do you explain 16/17? Before that we had no defense and sucked. Then we solved it and became a 100 point team. Then we lost our forwards, and started to suck again.

That’s not “culture”. That’s a massive hole in the roster preventing us from winning. Fix the wingers, without trading away Klefa/Nurse/Larsson, and this team is in the playoffs

According to HK97, as long as you have 'culture', those missing 80 goals will magically come back somehow via the scrubs we have in the lineup

 

[Jean Ralphio]

According to HK97, as long as you have 'culture', those missing 80 goals will magically come back somehow via the scrubs we have in the lineup

And how do you even go about improving this "culture"? It's the new buzzword that people just repeat but actually have no idea what it really constitutes.

I'm sure this has been said repeatedly in this thread and others, but if the team is winning, the culture will improve. The culture is bad because the team is bad. And has been for 12 years, save for one where the team played well and a lot of things went right. But somehow this was because of an improved culture, that went to shit the very next year with the same core roster?

How many good-great teams have bad culture? How come it's usually only consistently bad teams that a negative culture?

 

[Up the Irons]

weak forwards is the problem.... now.

but the root of the problem is its a lazy organization. they hire someone they know because its one phone call vrs 6 to 10 inteviews. be it scouting, developement, and hiring,...

THEY ARE LAZY.

 

[belair]

Yeah, not really buying the culture garbage either. Poor drafting and development at the forefront right now as I've mentioned for some time.

If you're forced to build a team solely through trade and free agent avenues, your final product is going to be an unsustainable, expensive mess that likely lacks any kind of cohesion.

The only 'culture' I can spot in this organization is the one keeping those boneheads employed.

 

[Mr Tadakichi]

So you’re saying if we score more and let in less we would be higher in the standings?

From what I understand, we might need to shoot this rubber disk into a net. Sounds fun!