Proposal: Is there room for Ron Francis and/or Joe Nieuwendyk with our Leafs

[Tak7]

This team still employs Cliff Fletcher as a Senior Advisor.

They don't need anymore "advisors" or "hockey guys"

 

[Brock Radunske]

Should Shanahan hire Ron Francis and/or Joe Nieuwendyk?

For what? Another advisory role?
It's possible but I doubt it.

 

[Warden of the North]

Francis did well in Carolina, at least on paper. He just couldn't find a goaltender to save his life and didn't make any big moves to bolster their team quality.

He'd probably be someone to look at if Shanahan wasn't going to promote from within.

I dont see anyway that Lou is removed for a guy like Francis (or any other external candidate)

Its 100% going to be an internal candidate

 

[AllDay28]

No.

 

[SprDaVE]

I dont see anyway that Lou is removed for a guy like Francis (or any other external candidate)

Its 100% going to be an internal candidate

I completely agree but I was just giving the benefit of the doubt that perhaps someone externally will be considered.

 

[Liminality]

Maybe if Francis or Nieuwendyk wanted to become a personal adviser for Matthews sure.

 

[ShaneFalco]

This team still employs Cliff Fletcher as a Senior Advisor.

They don't need anymore "advisors" or "hockey guys"

Word is, he was instrumental in the Zach Sill signing

 

[TOGuy14]

Why? Neither of them has any sort of established track record of success.

 

[DowntownConnorBrown]

ron francis maybe but joe nieuwendyk in a front 0ffice role sounds horrible

 

[Tak7]

Word is, he was instrumental in the Zach Sill signing

That era was peak rebuild era

 

[Ciao]

No

Pretty much sums it up. One word. Efficient.

 

[Ulysses31]

Why not take both in nonGM roles!??!?!?!!

 

[Al14]

This team still employs Cliff Fletcher as a Senior Advisor.

They don't need anymore "advisors" or "hockey guys"

One of the richest franchises in the NHL should load up with as much front office/management/scouts etc. Keep as much of the talent away from the other clubs as possible! LOL

Should have overpaid to grab Stephen Yzerman instead of allowing him to head south! JMHO.

 

[Al14]

Pretty much sums it up. One word. Efficient.

And, took absolutely no thought at all.

 

[HandshakeLineRespect]

Why? These two sucked at being in management.

 

[Tak7]

One of the richest franchises in the NHL should load up with as much front office/management/scouts etc. Keep as much of the talent away from the other clubs as possible! LOL

Should have overpaid to grab Stephen Yzerman instead of allowing him to head south! JMHO.

I think one of the undiscussed motivators behind the Lou move, was not wanting to have too many chefs in the kitchen.

Too many dissenting opinions isnt a good thing

 

[phillipmike]

Thought this thread was a bump from the 2003 offseason.

 

[cupcrazyman]

To do what?

Play defense?

Fetch coffee and donuts?

Be more specific.

Is he a right handed shot ?

 

[Boutette]

I think we're fine. Might be worth a PTO with Montreal in September. Can't be less effective than half the Canadiens forwards were this year.

 

[Cleetus]

Why not take both in nonGM roles!??!?!?!!

i just get this feeling there will be to many cooks and not enough dishwashers.

 

[Macallan18]

Should Shanahan hire Ron Francis and/or Joe Nieuwendyk?

Noooooooo

 

[Morgs]

I thought Francis built the Carolina team for what it is today, but most of it was good drafting prior to his arrival (Slavin, Pesce).

Couple good trades in Darling, Teuvo, and Sekera, but realistically he failed the one large thing a GM *should* be able to do, and it's get his team over the hump.

I'd also say his drafting resume isn't exactly sterling:

2014 - Hayden Fleury (Nylander, Ehlers next two picks)
2015 - Noah Hanifin (Provorov, Rantanen, Werenski, Barzal all available)
2016 - Jake Bean (McAvoy next pick)
2017 - Martin Necas

 

[Al14]

I think one of the undiscussed motivators behind the Lou move, was not wanting to have too many chefs in the kitchen.

Too many dissenting opinions isnt a good thing

Ultimately, someone at the top has to be in charge and make the final decisions. Having many experienced hockey people contributing to the decision can be helpful. Management by committee can work sometimes.

 

[Tak7]

Ultimately, someone at the top has to be in charge and make the final decisions. Having many experienced hockey people contributing to the decision can be helpful. Management by committee can work sometimes.

In my experience, in the real world, it rarely ever works.

Very rarely do you ever get big personalities in the same room, creating perfect synergy with each other.

Some tension can be good - you challenge one another.

But more often than not, it leads to a lack of productivity and efficiency.

 

[Tak7]

I thought Francis built the Carolina team for what it is today, but most of it was good drafting prior to his arrival (Slavin, Pesce).

Couple good trades in Darling, Teuvo, and Sekera, but realistically he failed the one large thing a GM *should* be able to do, and it's get his team over the hump.

I'd also say his drafting resume isn't exactly sterling:

2014 - Hayden Fleury (Nylander, Ehlers next two picks)
2015 - Noah Hanifin (Provorov, Rantanen, Werenski, Barzal all available)
2016 - Jake Bean (McAvoy next pick)
2017 - Martin Necas

It's easy, with every team, to use hindsight and say "what were they thinking with that pick??"

That Fleury pick though, compared to some of the other elite forwards available at the time, was just a head-scratcher, right at the moment they made the pick.