Is the slapshot obsolete?

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The difference between the prevalence of slapshots by forwards in the 80s and early 90s vs. today has more to do with defense than goalies. As said repeatedly, given enough time and space, an accurate slapper is still an effective scoring weapon (hardly limited to three players).
 

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For all the naysayers to my point... consider the following - since sticks are so good now as to allow such incredibly quick wrist shots, wouldn't those still using the slapshot a lot (effectively) do even better if they replaced those with wrist shots? I think they would.

Because that's how I'm defining "obsolete." Yes, one can still use horse and buggies to get around at a decent clip. They even still have some advantages over automobiles. But we've pretty much given up on them anyways....
 

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A very hard, accurate slapper from the circles is still nearly impossible to stop versus high end shooters but the defense will not allow them that space, hardly ever. The reality is defenders are much better at taking away time and space, thus players have to be smarter about using the slapper. It can and does still score, but perhaps not as often as 20-30 years ago.
 

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Did anyone see the OEL OT goal against Edmonton last night? The slapshot is alive and well my friends.
 

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For all the naysayers to my point... consider the following - since sticks are so good now as to allow such incredibly quick wrist shots, wouldn't those still using the slapshot a lot (effectively) do even better if they replaced those with wrist shots? I think they would.

Because that's how I'm defining "obsolete." Yes, one can still use horse and buggies to get around at a decent clip. They even still have some advantages over automobiles. But we've pretty much given up on them anyways....

The most popular stick in the NHL (Bauer Total One MX3) is mainly geared towards taking slap shots...

Asking if the slap shot has become obsolete is like asking if shooting top shelf has become obsolete.

It hasn't.
 

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That's exactly it though, only the hardest shooters(Weber, Subban, Chara, etc) score with slapshots these days. Alot of players(not just the hardest shooters) used to score on slappers alot more often in the 80's and 90's whether it was from the point or coming down the wing.

Goalies have gotten a LOT better in general from the 80's and 90's.
 
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Slapshots are much more exciting than wrist shots. Anderson had a long time to get in position, but there's nothing you can do against an accurate slapper.
 

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Give someone time to wind up, and even Price gets beat clean.
 

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I've given this topic some thought lately, so it's kind of neat to see I'm not alone in noticing this trend.

One of the factors here is that composite sticks really haven't added all that much to slapshots. A few years ago, the show Sportscience had Shawn Thornton (yeah yeah, not the best test subject) take slap shots with wooden and composite sticks. There was no difference at all. Maybe if you put a 2014 stick in the hands of Shea Weber there would be a bit more improvement, but there's only so much that can be done to change the physics of a slap shot. On the other hand, wrist/snap shots have changed a lot since the introduction of composite sticks. The amount of flex that guys like Kessel and Ovechkin get on their wristers would have been impossible to achieve before composites were introduced.

With stick technology closing the gap in slap/wrist shot velocity, shot quality becomes a more important factor. How often does a player truly get the puck in his wheelhouse for a slapper, so that he can exert maximum force and accuracy? My guess is, probably not THAT often. Usually there's some sort of pressure involved in releasing it quickly, which reduces both velocity and accuracy. Again -- this closes the gap between slap shots and wrist shots.

The single biggest factor in whether or not a direct shot will beat an NHL goalie is the timing of the release. Is the goalie set and ready, with a clear view of the shot? Or is he moving and trying to track it through a screen? There's a reason that even in the shootout, the preferred way to score is to get the goalie moving and surprise him with a quick release. If an NHL goalie has time to get set, even on a shot from right in front of the crease, he'll still force the shot wide or gobble it up the majority of the time. So there's a premium on a quick release, which actually justifies slap shots in one situation -- the one-timer.

Other than one-timers, taking the time to stop a pass and wind up a slap shot simply defeats the purpose. It gives the goalie more than enough time to square up for an easy save, regardless of the shot speed. If there's no screen, a slapper is often barely better than a turnover -- especially if it caroms around the boards in the other direction. If there's a screen, then it's preferable to take a softer shot and look for a deflection.

Basically it all comes down to a trade-off between velocity, timing and precision. Before composite sticks, slapshots provided a degree of velocity that could justify losing timing and precision. But today, the velocity gap has narrowed to the point that slapshots provide little advantage, yet they still have their drawbacks. With the exception of one-timer situations, a player who chooses a slapshot is almost always making a tactical error (even if it sometimes works out for him, as in the horse-and-buggy analogy).
 

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b) defending players to get to the puck handler in order to dislodge the puck or disarm said player.
This is it, to me at least. With the improvements in padding for skaters, more are willing to lay out to block a slapper, even from guys like Chara and Subban. I do miss the slapshot from the point off the draw in the offensive zone.
 

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The most popular stick in the NHL (Bauer Total One MX3) is mainly geared towards taking slap shots...

Asking if the slap shot has become obsolete is like asking if shooting top shelf has become obsolete.

It hasn't.

Yes, and for years after the automobile became available, one could still buy buggies for horses. I'll bet you can still buy them, somewhere, if you know where to look.

I think what you're indicating is that even a lot of actual players don't know that it's obsolete. Yet.

That is, I think current stick technology allows for wrist shots (for example) that are so amazing that the extra speed of the slap shot doesn't make up for its disadvantages.

Which would make it obsolete. Even if players are still using it and buying sticks tailored to it.
 
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This thread makes me miss Lidstrom. He had an incredibly special knack to get the puck to the net with his slapshot regardless of how many players were trying to jump in front of it.
 

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I don't think today's sticks are even designed for slapshots.
 

AaronTrieu

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i love a winger streaking down the side and letting a slapper go.

What is the speed difference between a slapper and a wrist shot? 20mph?

I think the nature of a slap shot makes it hard to read off the stick.

I would guess if the goalie was at the top of the crease and the shooter fires a slap shot from face off dot, thats about a 20ft.

a 100mph slap shot, which an average shooter should have, travels about 150 ft/sec. At 20 ft, its about .13 seconds to move a blocker or glove probably from your waist to your ear.

according to http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/statistics

I would people in the 90 percentile have a reaction time at about .14 seconds. Which is the time to see something, think about it, and react. An 80 MPH shot would hit the goalie from the dot in about .17-.18 seconds.

I guess it is interesting because you can see thats all the separates good goalies and great goalies and a well placed slap shot has a great chance of going in.
 

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With enough time and space they are not.



I do think the big wind up slapshot is. This age of shotblocking and screening having a huge communicating wind up is something most shooters ignore. Have a low, quick wind up is something that is more common. Allowing the Dmen and shooters to fire a shot (with less power and more accuracy) when the goalie is completely blinded by a screen.
 

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